So... disappearings happening in Portland.

Bickendan · Sep 4, 2020

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In Florida, even if the victim refuses to press charges the cops can still arrest someone if there's "probable cause" to believe there was violence. When I was living in an apartment in South Tampa some years ago, my next door neighbors had a ... volatile...relationship. One night she came knocking on my door crying and with a scalp wound. I damn near called the cops. He would have gone, no doubt about it. I told them both the next time, I would call the cops and they could deal with it. Anyway, that blew over and they eventually divorced, but if it's awkward for cops, it's awkward for someone trying to be friends with both.
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Why would you want to be friends with a guy that beats up his wife?
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You just have a real talent for reading what isn't there dont you?
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Then why do you want to be friends with Dayton?

(Ok, that was very low hanging fruit)

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garamet · Sep 10, 2020

Just to put the media hysteria about "the entire city being a war zone" in perspective, this from a resident of Portland:

"I can verify this because I live here."

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Tuckerfan · Sep 11, 2020

So, the folks aiding the protesters in Portland have switched to offering help to the people displaced by the fires.

Wonder what the Proud Boys-types are doing right now?

Bickendan · Sep 11, 2020

They're too proud to help.

Tuckerfan · Sep 12, 2020

Eightball · Sep 12, 2020

Welcome to the new America. This type of stuff will only increase. I dont think there is anything we can do about this, we are witnessing the end.

Tuckerfan · Sep 16, 2020

Tuckerfan · Sep 21, 2020

So, this happened.

Federal Agencies Tapped Protesters’ Phones in Portland

This summer, Portland looked like a war zone. Phalanxes of shadowy law enforcement personnel fired crowd control munitions, as plumes of tear gas billowed out into the sky. Federal agents without clearly visible identification rounded up protesters and loaded them into unmarked cars, on American streets. When videos began to spread online, it was hard to tell what was going on, or how widely.

The public backlash was ferocious, spurring Congress to demand that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) disclose information about the operation. But the DHS never came clean to the public about the full extent of its intelligence operations in Portland, which consisted of clandestine activities including interceptions of protesters’ phone calls conducted by a task force that included federal agencies besides the DHS, according to two former intelligence officers familiar with the matter.

“Unidentified stormtroopers. Unmarked cars. Kidnapping protesters and causing severe injuries in response to graffiti. These are not the actions of a democratic republic. [Department of Homeland Security’s] actions in Portland undermine its mission,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tweeted in mid-July. Later that month, The Washington Post reported that the DHS’s intelligence division, the Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) had generated intelligence reports on several prominent journalists covering the Portland protests. Members of both the House and Senate intelligence committees promptly demanded to know what kinds of intelligence they had collected on both journalists and protesters. A letter from the Senate contained the suggestive admonition that the division “is obligated by statute to keep the congressional intelligence committees fully and currently informed of its operations.”

Yet at the time of this writing, DHS has failed to respond to Congress’s questions. “Notwithstanding the selective and incomplete document production thus far, the Committee has reason to believe that DHS and I&A are withholding responsive records related to I&A’s activities in Portland and in support of DHS’ response to nationwide protests,” House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff wrote in a letter to DHS’s intelligence branch.

This is not to say that DHS did not respond to the public furor. Shortly after Congress’s initial requests, DHS shocked the national security world by removing its high-ranking Undersecretary of Intelligence, Brian Murphy. Murphy had served as chief of I&A, the wing of DHS that is a member of the rarefied Intelligence Community and is authorized to handle highly classified information about security threats to the domestic United States. Though Murphy’s removal appeared to mollify Congress, the public narrative that he had been removed for the intelligence reports on journalists struck some intelligence officials as dubious.

“He did not get reassigned over some unclassified program,” a former senior DHS I&A intelligence officer who has served under Murphy told The Nation. “That is a convenient story, but that isn’t what’s going on.”

Unlike more sensitive, classified intelligence, the journalist reports were based entirely on publicly available information. And while privacy rules generally prevent “U.S. persons” from being the subject of intelligence assessments, it is still not uncommon. “That kind of shit happens all the time,” the former intelligence officer explained.

The early narrative became all the more dubious when Murphy filed a whistleblower complaint with Congress alleging retaliation by the department. According to the complaint, Murphy had been reassigned not because of what happened in Portland, but due to a series of earlier whistleblower complaints he had filed alleging that he had been pressured to manipulate intelligence. This is alleged to have included DHS leadership asking Murphy to manufacture intelligence about terrorists entering the US through the southern border and to block intelligence assessments focusing on threats from white supremacists and from Russia. (The Nation has reported on the difficulties described by DHS officials in monitoring white supremacists.)

“A guy like Brian Murphy, you’re not going to ruin his career and drag him through the mud over some bullshit,” the former intelligence officer said. According to him, multiple federal agencies, from DHS to the FBI, asked if any intelligence officials would volunteer to be deployed; but when DHS I&A sought volunteers to deploy to Portland during an all-hands call, it was not met with enthusiasm.

“They asked for volunteers and nobody wanted to go,” the former intelligence officer said. “The fact that they asked for volunteers shows that it was outside the scope of their duties…you only do that if you don’t have the ability to order someone to go, probably because it’s illegal.”

A current FBI official described a similar call for volunteers to respond to civil unrest this summer, agreeing that it was extremely unusual. “This is the first time I’ve seen volunteer requests for…another field office,” the source said.

A current DHS official described a colleague with expertise in electronic surveillance who was being deployed to Portland. But for what purpose? “Extracting information from protester’s phones,” the DHS official said. While in Portland, an interagency task force involving DHS and the Justice Department used a sophisticated cell phone cloning attack—the details of which remain classified—to intercept protesters’ phone communications, according to two former intelligence officers familiar with the matter.

Cell phone cloning involves stealing a phone’s unique identifiers and copying them to another device in order to intercept the communications received by the original device. The former intelligence officials described it as part of a “Low Level Voice Intercept” operation, declining to go into further detail—one of them citing the sensitive nature of the surveillance tool and the other an ongoing leak investigation within I&A.

“You’re getting an inside view into your targets, who they are, who they’re talking to—the hierarchy,” the former intelligence officer said, explaining that many within DHS believe that antifa is an organized group—as opposed to the largely spontaneous, decentralized ideological tendency that most experts, including Trump’s own FBI director, believe it is. DHS intelligence has even found some limited evidence, which he considered thin, of foreign sponsorship. Attorney General William Barr, however, recently claimed that antifa is receiving foreign sponsorship—a necessary criterion to formally designating it a terror organization, which President Trump vowed to do in July. (The Nation recently reported on DHS intelligence’s attempts to tie antifa to Kurdish militant groups in Syria.)

“Signals intelligence collection would not be useful for preventing opportunistic looting or violent confrontations. It presumes the existence of coordinated, purposeful and unlawful activity that is conducted through electronic means,” said Steven Aftergood, who heads the Federation of American Scientists’ Project on Government Secrecy. “The general concern is that DHS treated mass public protests—not just violent individuals—as suspicious and targets of investigation, or worse.”

While it wasn’t clear which individuals had specifically been targeted in Portland, both former intelligence officers agreed that it had violated protocol. “They were abusing people’s rights,” one said.

In addition to signals intelligence collection, the Portland operation involved clandestine aspects, according to the former intelligence officer. This appears consistent with a tip received this summer. Several US marshals sent to Portland claimed to be affiliated with a private firm called “Strategic Oil,” according to travel records obtained by The Nation. While the marshals did not identify themselves as law enforcement, the travel records contain information identifying them as Marshals, including that they were given a special discount for federal government employees. Clandestine methods tend to only be used for the most sensitive operations, more commonly overseas than domestically. (The Justice Department did not respond to multiple requests for comment.)

Travel records did not reflect that DHS was using any sort of cover story in Portland. One of the biggest misconceptions about the Portland operation was that DHS took the lead, the former intelligence officer said, explaining that the Justice Department played a major role. While he didn’t dispute that Murphy oversaw DHS I&A’s segment of the task force, he said the Justice Department—especially the Marshals but also the FBI—played a far more significant role. “It was clear that he [Murphy] was directed from higher up,” he said.

A current DHS official described how a colleague who was being deployed to Portland had alluded to using the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), part of the Justice Department, for the purposes of accessing protesters’ phones. “He said he needed some sort of ‘special key’ in order to …He said that DEA has that capability and vaguely alluded to possibly borrowing or using one from another agency once he got to Portland.”

In June, Buzzfeed News reported that the DEA had been authorized to conduct covert surveillance of protesters involved in demonstrations against the police killing of George Floyd. Then in August, the US Marshals—part of the Justice Department—confirmed that they had conducted aerial surveillance over the Portland protests. The former intelligence officers agreed that the Low Level Voice Intercept operation had been conducted on the ground, was far more invasive than aerial surveillance, and involved equipment that I&A did not have access to.

“[There were] at least two federal agencies and there was some spooky shit going on,” one former intelligence officer said of the Portland operation.

Attorney General Barr has repeatedly echoed President Trump’s rhetoric on antifa. After President Trump alleged without evidence that a plane full of violent protesters had been traversing the country, Barr claimed that the Justice Department had received similar reports of violent protesters traveling from all over the country to sow mayhem. Last week, Barr urged federal prosecutors to consider charging violent protesters with sedition, a rarely used charge for people conspiring to overthrow the government. This week, Barr designated New York, Portland, and Seattle as “anarchist” jurisdictions—a term often used interchangeably with antifa.

“When the president makes the kind of statements he does on the news, you know that you have tacit approval,” the former intelligence officer said. “You just need a wink from your supervisor.”
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Tuckerfan · Oct 16, 2020

Female protesters during the Arab Spring were subjected to “virginity tests.”

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Bickendan · Oct 17, 2020

A Pile entry?

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Uncle Albert · Nov 4, 2020

You had me at "snatch vans"...

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steve2^4 · Nov 24, 2020

I will pay you every time you don't post a tweet.

Tuckerfan · Nov 24, 2020

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I will pay you every time you don't post a tweet.
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Well, I’m sure a dime was big money back in your day, gramps, but now it’s not even worth the metal it’s minted out of.

Jenee · Nov 24, 2020

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I will pay you every time you don't post a tweet.
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Well, I’m sure a dime was big money back in your day, gramps, but now it’s not even worth the metal it’s minted out of.
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I just assumed you guys were about the same age.

steve2^4 · Nov 24, 2020

I'm old enough to remember when a phonecall cost a dime.

I'll pay 100 quatloos.

Jenee · Nov 24, 2020

Guess we all need to fess up. I'll be 57 in February. How old are you, @steve2^4 , @Tuckerfan ?

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