So What if an MRI Takes Longer in Canada?

And this has actually happened in which Real World healthcare system?

Just a little more each month for a new Honda? Dude, those things run forever. I want me a cheap government Honda!

Forgot option #3:

Obama Auto Program (Cash for clunkers, now enforced by fines!): Everyone is required to have a car. Dealers aren't allowed to refuse you based on your income or credit history. If you can't afford one, you can receive government assistance for the purchase. If paying into that fund leaves you unable to afford the payments you were previously able to make, we've got this lovely government program for you...

Your own damn article laid out some of the parallels.

Only with some extremely fanciful interpretation.

Show me where I'm wrong. Not "that detail doesn't matter," not "they said they're fixing it." WRONG.

You'll have to name the country or countries in which you believe this situation actually exists. Then we can talk about whether or not you're hyperbolizing.

What are real world examples when you've got ideological abstractions?

Start with the article posted by garamet. Dispute those facts.

The fact you cherry-picked: Wait times for lab tests are slightly longer in Canada than in the U.S. The problem is being worked on.

From this you pull some Orwellian nightmare out of your ass and claim that it's some sort of reality.

I ask you where this "reality" exists, and you have no answer.

But you JUST KNOW it could happen.

Figures.

It's true. There are the facts as posted, and then there's you. You got nothing.

You didn't post any facts refuting my statement darling.

That the wait for an MRI for "banal" reasons is almost non-existant anywhere in the lower 48? I know from my own experience (no, I can't post a link) that unless you've got a really strange concept of either "almost" or "non existant", then that's just bullshit.

How long a wait ballpark it.

I did. You apparently didn't understand them.

More to the point, when you make a statement like that, it's incumbent on you to back it up.

Let's see a breakdown of wait times for MRIs by state. That should do it.

A little under a month. Say three weeks. That was on the banal side. No emergency...just a yearly check.

That's pretty good innit? I had a coworker with back problems nothing serious mind you. Just the Doctor being thorough. She was over and done in less than two weeks. Compared to Canada that's lickity split.

Link?

You best get crackin' then babe.

My dialysis unit's head nurse decided Monday that I need a catheter exchange surgery again (which sucks!) and before I left treatment it was all arranged for next Thursday at 10 AM. I could have had it for Tuesday, but I need time to come off from blood thinners before a procedure like that.

I don't think I have ever had to wait more than a week for surgery or for most tests.

Wait times and care tend to be shittier in larger population centers and that is why it will be much worse when thousands more people are rushing into the system en masse. There won't suddenly be more providers for those people, and there is a shortage of good providers now.

I don't see how things can possibly improve with this recipe.

I don't know. Maybe I'm spoiled.

I wonder if that's not part of the problem. Doctors over-using things like MRIs. I can understand, "I've done everthing else I can think of, but can't diagnose this...let's try an MRI." Or things like in The Warden's case....both trying to monitor the progress of her MS, and keep an eye out for a possible form of encephalitis that can come about due to the medicine she's on...but "just being thorough"?

Try to get the same service in Canada. See how long you're waiting. Or just wait for Obamacare to get fully implemented.

I wonder if that's not part of the problem. Doctors over-using things like MRIs.[/quote]

And cancer tests?

So what's going to cause the bottleneck? More people having access to healthcare means waiting lists and 24 hour shifts for MRIs?

I don't know. What kind of cancer tests? Mamograms? Having that wierd mole you got removed sent to a pathologist? Colonoscapies?

I remember hearing recently that some medical organization or another is suggesting that doctors are overdoing mamograms for women under 50.

Doctors bailing out.

Uh whut?

I don't know. What kind of cancer? Mamograms? Having that wierd mole you got removed sent to a pathologist? Colonoscapies?[/quote]

Yep.

Just the thing so we an have breast cancer survival rates like Great Britain.

...and doing what? Becoming gentlemen farmers?

Which part didn't you understand?

Okay. What about them?

Apparently, yearly mamograms for women under 50 that aren't considered high risk in the first place is causing more harm than good. Stress and unneeded surgeries due to false positives and whatnot.

Among other things.

Which part didn't you understand?[/quote]

All of it.

Okay. What about them?[/quote]

We do a lot more of them than other countries. We catch cancers way earlier and have higher survival rates as a result.

Apparently, yearly mamograms for women under 50 that aren't considered high risk in the first place is causing more harm than good. Stress and unneeded surgeries due to false positives and whatnot.[/QUOTE]

Like I said we'll have breast cancer survival rates like Great Britain. Namely terrible.

Okay I give. You win...

...if only because I'm tired of fixing and re-fixing and re-re-fixing your formatting.

It might help in the future if you didn't jump into things in the middle.

You're the one that brought up cancer tests out of nowhere...not me.

You brought up tests.

It doesn't make much difference when no one at home re-enforces it. My young cousins get taught about the food groups at school, and the older one especially tries to drink less soda and more water and juice. Unfortunately, her mother is a lush who eats out every day of the week. How much of that will stick with them as she grow up? Not much, I imagine.

It's pretty much the same as expecting your school to cover sex education and think your kids have the right info. We know how well that worked out for the Palin family. .