Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

Voyager didn't give that up almost immediately. And it has little to do with the problems that that show had.

Word out now is that the SFX comnay threw that trailer together quickly for ComicCon, and the ship is not the final version. :/

As someone on another bboard said, you shouldn't do something like that with the pickiest fandom in the galaxy.

I hope they get enough backlash to scrap that ugly design all together.

Like how the ocean of fan tears got rid of "faith of the heart"?

Don't remind me.

nuBSG had lots of ships.

The main premise was about Federation officers cut off from the Alpha quadrant with a good number of their crew being former Maquis whose ideals were supposedly the opposite to their. And yet by the second episode, Chakotay is all but Janeway's bitch and there's no reference to the Maquis by the end of season two.

That's to say nothing about the endless resources, including the authorization given to run a hologram program 24/7 and not one episode that even mentions "food shortage".

Voyager should have been the new TOS. It had a blank slate to start boldy going where none had gone before again.

Instead we got a load of bullshit about Neelix's recipes, Borg, Borg and more Borg. Borg kids. Borg totty in tight clothes....and the Doctor worrying about how good he is at writing and opera.

Fucking garbage.

I've had a Fan fic in my head for a few years about a crew going to another galaxy. I don't see why they they don't go that route?

Didn't they once go to Andromeda in TOS? The episode where the crew were turned into what looked like hexagonal sugar lumps.

I can live with the saucer, the nacelles, and the thick neck...the other part does need revision.

Notwithstanding I'd love something more graceful

the Aliens were FROM Andromeda but I'm not sure they actually ever got there, that was just the plan

my guess on the time frame is first half of the 23rd century, likely close to the middle. It would kinda be a nice callback if at some point we were told the construction was beginning on the Enterprise and Capt. April made guest appearance (also a good way to slip in a stunt casting moment) - I'm okay with that, I think you can do a lot with other races without screwing up continuity already established either by introducing new ones, or by taking longer looks at those we know exist but we don't have much background on.

The thing is though, Fuller basically said this is one overarching story, not a series of only loosely related episodes, so the constraints of continuity might not be so severe.


Still, if they were going to do a prequel, I'd been most happy with a Captain Pike series.

Personally I would have preferred a Doctor Who approach. A season long loose arc, but individual stories nonetheless.

It would be interesting. Subs have multiple crews, don't they?

"A" and "B" crews, last I heard. One would be at home, while the other was at sea.

They were still 300 years from Andromeda when Kirk convinced Rojan (an excellent Warren Stevens by the way) to turn the Enterprise around and return to the Milky Way.

He had a nice logical argument that after so many centuries in human form, the Kelvans would be effectively humans themselves, and natural enemies of the Kelvans they returned to report to in Andromeda.

Voyager co creator Michael Piller did not like the Maquis story element and basically decided to all but dispense with it in the first episode.

He said that "The Maquis were part of DS9s story. Not Voyagers"

Except that the DS9 staff was made to establish the Maquis in the lead-up to VOY.

I find that curious, because I remember at the time, with TNG episodes like Journey's End and DS9's The Maquis, the talk was that is was all a set up for Voyager. Ron Moore has said as much.

I could be wrong thought I remembered Piller saying that.

And amazingly, DS9 did a much better job at developing the Maquis, because DS9.

It's not like anyone expe c Ted them to hate each other or their ideals the wole seven years, but some occasional non-mind altering related confrontation would've been nice.

Hell, hamfisted and bigoted as Archer came across, his conflict with T'Pol carried out over the whole first season and actually made the show stick out for me. I can't say the same for Voyager.

Oh, I agree that they ignored those things, although the extent that it would have fixed the show is debatable.
It's the whole "usual Trek races" that they didn't give up on, though they certainly introduced more Alpha Quadrant stuff in the second half of the run.

IIRC Brannon Braga openly addressed the issue of U.S.S Voyager seeming to have an unlimited supply of resources and hardly ever addressing the issues of their isolation and vulnerability. He said that making a big deal about the scarcity of resources would make Voyager “too depressing”.
In short, the producers and writers for Voyager had no interest in a series about a “ship out beyond the Federation”. All of them came to Star Trek when TNG was the big thing and all considered it what Star Trek should be both creatively and commercially. So basically they wanted Star Trek: Voyager to be Star Trek: The Next Generation 2.0.
Ignoring the fact that by the end of its run TNG was all but dead creatively

Essentially correct, but they call them "Blue Crew" and "Gold Crew". Also, it's only on SSBN (Ballistic Missile) submarines and not on SSN (Fast Attack) submarines.

And why the Maquis on VOY? They weren't really the enemy of the federation. They were federation citizens living in now Cardasaian space causing problems for the Cardasians. So what tension could really last once VOY and the Maquis were blasted into the DQ? Eventually they would put aside their very minor differences and get back to work. So it was a plot point destined to be forgotten.

If the writers has thought it through they would have been Cardasians flung into the DQ with VOY instead.

The Maquis didn't require extensive make-up work like the Cardassians would have. Budget reasons?

I thought about that. It's true. But maybe there's some other species out there that were enemies of the federation but didn't need all the makeup either. Romulans?

And whatever they do, nuBSG will still be better.

I never understood the veering towards madness, hatred of the Maquis that Sisko and to a lesser extent Picard had.

You had the Borg, Breen, Cardassians, Romulan, evil Pig People, just a whole host of fairly horrific bad guys, and Sisko and Picard are like 'Meh. We can handle these amateurs. But that goddamn Maquis, well, we have to wipe them out!'

It always felt strained and unbelievable.