Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker

yeah... that's where magic materials and force stuff has to take over.

any notions on what the starting size would have burned down from presuming what we're looking at is more of an orange peel than it is an orange slice?

(not even asking why it didn't create a 20 Km chunk out of the ocean floor).

here's Toronto from Niagara-on-the-Lake which is about 70 Km, with the tower being about 550m tall

Even presuming the Death Star is a very low density structure, the falling part would've weighed billions of tons.

Could be that magic space materials don't burn up, but the air friction would still have generated enough heat to sterilize any terrain it passed over on the way down.

The Death Star stayed in the same spot over the moon at relatively low altitude; so, it wasn't technically orbiting. It was using some means to hover. So, let's assume it had no angular velocity around the moon.

For laughs, let's say that piece of the Death Star had a mass of 10 trillion kilograms, and that it was stationary at an altitude of, say, 500 kilometers when it exploded.

The energy released by a 10 trillion kilogram mass falling 500 kilometers, assuming an Earth-like 1g acceleration, would be...

U = mgh
U = (10^13 kg)(9.8 ms^-2)(5*10^5 m) = 49 quintillion Joules of energy.

That's equal to about 10,000 1 megaton H-bombs.

Idiots. The piece was actually jettisoned as an escape...slice. It had its own thrusters and wings and shit and gently piloted it’s way into an easy ocean landing. Obviously!

I wonder why they felt compelled to make Kef Bir a different moon instead of the much more sensible approach of having the Death Star remnants be on, y'know, the moon that the Death Star was orbiting.

Were they so committed to the whole single-biome planet trope that it seemed inconceivable for the sanctuary moon to have an ocean?

I have been reading some spoilers about this because I really don't have that many fucks to give, and I think I am not going to like this movie.

One of the biggest things I have trouble with is the need to constantly out do the previous movie threat. One of the reasons I like return of the jedi was it was just another death star. It was not a fleet of death stars, they were just building another horrible weapon and they had to destroy it before it was ready. At the end of the last movie the rebellion had all of their ships destroyed. From what I hear that is not an issue anymore because lando went out and got a bunch more ships to fight the biggest fleet of secret empire ships with death star lasers on them?

Then they used the force to bring people back to life? Wasn't necromancy the whole thing that started the perversion of the force and brought about the sith in the first place> At least stick to your philosophy. This is like superman killing someone and allowing so many people to be killed. That is the corruption of the force. You set up the rules only to break them.

It is more pull it out of nowhere bullshit when you could have written a story where the rebels and the empire were on their last legs and the final battle made a decision. Instead in this universe we just have fleets that come out of nowhere, an endless battle of bigger and badder, and no real end to any of it.

At the end of the last movie they made things too hopeless and it seems instead of writing a good ending that dealt with that scenario they just threw it away because big star battle sells. One of the reasons I was happy at the end of LOTR was they maintained the idea of the destruction of the ring being what was the only hope. Humans had lost even though they saved the city. Their army was done and they were only saved by the army of ghosts which was dismissed after the victory. Star wars never sets this up and the empire won at the end of the last movie.

Can someone tell me why Rey went to Tattooine, and why she drew her weapon right at the end?

Can someone tell me why Rey went to Tattooine, and why she drew her weapon right at the end?

So... is Palpatine Darth Plageies? How was he resurrected? Did he just not die and laid low all these years? He had a son and that son had a daughter???
Hmmm.... I can accept any of this but man the film just skips over all this and just rams it down my throat. I have to see it again to take it all in. Overall, I did like it but man was it rough in some parts.

To bury the Skywalker sabers at Luke's old house.
Luke and Leia needed a symbolic funeral what with no bodies left.

Same reason as Darth Maul in Solo, to show it off to the audience.

Rey's burying Luke's and Leia's sabers is symbolic of the ending of the saga, and that it occurs at the Lars homestead brings us back to where the saga began (for those of us alive in 1977, anyway). Rey's chosen to be a Skywalker, and the film's ending at this place suggests she perhaps stands at the beginning of a new saga.

Vader's dialog in Return of the Jedi suggests that constructing one's own lightsaber demonstrates a completeness of Jedi skills. So, Rey having built her own visually indicates she's done with her training and embarking on a new phase of her life. The saber's yellow color--one we've not seen before--suggests something new, that her career will be something different than has come before.

Well, all that too, but I didn't go into that level of detail, cuz I couldn't fathom K needing that explained.
But, maybe he did.

How does Chewbacca make that list?

He never dies in the film. Well he did but than they did re-shoots after the outrage from the test audiences.

And Han is just Kylo talking to a memory. Though they didn't do it very well so there is some head scratching on that one.

It's another sign the movie was made terribly.

OR

Everything on the moon burned to the ground as the Death Star wreckage hit it and we are seeing the first signs of new life (the grass) growing on it.

BUT NOPE......

Disney can't kill the furry bastards so according to then the wreckage you're seeing is not on the Ewok's home planet.

The planet with the wreckage is called Kef Bir and it is one of eight moons that orbits Endor.

I guess as changing things go this isn't a huge one since it is possible to have other moons in orbit around a gas giant and ROTJ only focused on the Ewok one because that's where the shield generator base was. Also we know from the books that after the battle the Rebel Alliance used shields and tractor beams to protect the forest moon. So.....

Well I appreciated the explanation.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who had questions. I assumed everyone knew the answers as they watched the film, I felt like I had to go on a quest after the film just to understand it all.

She saw the old woman and thought she might be another Sith Lord.

Rey has PTSD. I can see her accidentally hacking people.

"Excuse me but have you seen.... arrggghhhhhh my arm.......why did you do that?"

"Uhhh sorry thought you were someone else."



"God damn Jedi. The Emperor was right. Hippies suck ass in every galaxy."

Just saw it again.
Even better the second time.

Yeah, I didn't, but thanks to you both for trying. I do get the symbolism for the movie audience, I just have trouble seeing the motivation within the storyworld. But a burial for Luke and Leia does make some sense, at least for going to Tattooine, not for showing off the blade.

Then again, Leia never knew the farm and Luke was terribly unhappy there. Ah well.

Shmi is buried there.
They kind of have a family plot going now.

One assumes if any of us owned lightsabers, we'd be turning them on and off constantly as well, like clicking a pen.

Wouldn't the Death Star debris have gone in all directions? Maybe there are pieces of it on Endor, just not all of it.

Well, I listened hard to the score this time.
No "Duel Of The Fates".
No prequel material at all that I could discern.
Unless it was woven in super subtly.

I almost thought there might be a couple notes of "duel", in the final Kylo vs Knights Of Ren fight, but I may have been imagining it.

What a shame, yet another missed opportunity.

Saw it, a lot of suspension of logic and sanity and rules of the universe but I quite enjoyed it. Definitely some extensions of the universe rules that worked.

C-3PO's dialogue was off during the first part though. Not enough fuss, plus a little Marvin scoring points off the idiot humanoids.

I try to think about ID4 as little as possible

Well really where would she go to bury them?

Aldreraan is gone.

Luke really had no home other than the farm. I also dispute that he was unhappy. He was a freaking teenager at the time of Star Wars. Of course he wanted to see the universe.

There are pieces on Endor since Endor is the gas giant and not the Ewok moon.

Gravity probably sucked in massive amounts of it.

Williams has gotten lazy in his old age. I have a "John Williams" station on Pandora and I've noticed that in recent years he's increasingly copied from himself, rather than coming up with original material (or borrowing from works in the public domain). I don't mean that he's put touches of ANH in the later films, I mean that he's put bits from Jaws (for example) in films that have nothing to do with that franchise. "Duel of the Fates" was probably the last really great piece he's created.

I've posted this before, but I'll post it again: The Ewok Holocaust. It explains, in pretty good detail, what most likely happened and how badly the Ewok planet would have gotten hosed.

You can post that all you want.

Disney doesn't give a fuck. Neither does Lucasfilm.

After the sale and during this movie, Disney has said the debris landed on another moon around Endor.

We also see that the Ewok's survived as shown in the movie.

There was no Ewok Holocaust. The Ewok Jerky market is safe.

My point being is that the discussions here about what would have happened when DSII went kerblewie are expounded upon by that page, including how planet Ewok might have survived. But hey, don't let me stop you from pissing on Disney. Everybody needs a hobby.

No your point is that your an obstinate person who can't deal with things not going your way. So you like to beat dead horses into the ground by reposting the same argument over and over. Yeah we all get that the forest moon of Endor should have been obliterated by the debris BUT......

Disney doesn't care what you or I think.

The forest moon survived. The Ewok people live to be annoyingly cute another day. It's on film. And that's that.