Still think we shouldn't accept refugees?

@Zenow

WRT your claim that it is A.O.K. for member states to ignore EU law when ever they want I present this:

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...e-than-1-000-people-rescued-off-greek-islands

The EU is currently considering bring legal cases against countries which allow illegal aliens to travel north without first registering them. Rightly so, as well.

I think that aspect of EU law is BS. What you basically have is the heavy hitters in the EU (Britain, France, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, and the Scandinavian countries) saying that if migrants enter the EU, they can only burden the periphery (Italy, Spain, Greece, and the Balkans). My, how convenient for the core countries. Unless migrants were showing up on Viking longboats from Iceland, the core would have nothing to worry about. It would be like the US solving our own immigration problems by saying illegals have to stay in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, which have to pay for all the costs, with 46 states in favor and 4 opposed.

Actually, no, that is not the case. The law says all claimants must be resisted and their cases reviewed via the standard process. If the claim for asylum is accepted then the EU gets to allocate them to various member states but the asylum seeker does not get to pick which state they end up in.

The welfare moochers are seeking to bipass that system and head straight to the welfare jackpot. That is why they are illegal alien criminals and not legit refugees. They are benefits shopping which is strictly prohibited under EU law.

Not that the law ever matters to illegal alien apologists.

But my point is that the core countries wrote a law whereby all the claimants have to stay stuck in the peripheral countries while those claims are processed. If the peripheral countries had written the law it would probably require the claimants to remain outside the EU while their claims are processed, kind of like getting a visa. In fact, such a system would resemble the law everywhere else, along with the common sense notion that people can only crash at your house if you've invited them. They can't just show up on your porch and live there for three months while you figure out what to do about them.

The claims are usually processed in 2-3 months and the border countries receive financial assistance from the EU to help cover costs. If claims are approved, and most thankfully are not, then they get shipped all around the EU based upon space available and other factors. So the burden does get shared if the legal process is followed.

Here is your answer:

Oh my, oh my, what the world has come to.. I agree with gturner
Those legal cases are bullocks - every single government knows the Dublin Regulation needs revisiting. It's just that with the stupid way the EU makes its decision, they'll probably 'agree' on something new by 2030. So yeah, until they do, I do think it is A-OK for countries like Greece to just let them through. That'll put some pressure on the proces.

As for other refugees piggy-backing on the current crisis - of course they do. I would, and so would you, if you were from, say, Iraq and trying to get in. The crisis we have now shows our ethical dilemma (which, of course, you don't see, as you consider everyone to a future suicide bomber) but it also shows how fucked up our asylum procedures are. We can't deal with the number of people coming here (sure, there are many - but this did not happen overnight), but, which is worse - we never thought it a priority reduce the amount of red tape involved in the procedure: we thought it would scare people away if it took a long time - in my country not weeks or months, but years. Well.. guess what, it didn't scare anyone this time. And finally - since a lot of these refugees will get refused asylum (I think the UK typically rejects half), after this drama the next one is sure to follow, because we have no decent extradition processes. The typical method in the Netherlands, is to arrest those rejected, even if they have been here for years and their kids grew up here, put them in a camp (precise terminology is probably different, but this is what it looks like in reality) and fly them 'home' - if their 'home country' is willing to accept them. Problem is, often enough, that country refuses. What happens next? We release them. Put them on the street, saying: you have to leave the country. We don't know where, or we'd fly them there, and we know they have nowhere to go, but nevertheless, we dump them: not our problem anymore. Except that then, they are homeless, on our streets, with their kids. Which, of course, to the likes of you is either just fine or reason to not allow anyone to apply for asylum in the first place. But as usual, reality is a bit more complex than your black and white mind can fathom. The same applies to my government, and other governments in the EU as well. it is sad, but your mindset is typical of the problems we face - you can't get beyond 'They shouldn't come here!' whereas they are already here, and that is the problem that needs addressing. And as you keep saying, only part of them is Syrian (and will probably be allowed to stay, thankfully) so the others are not as easy to process. What would you have our governments do with these, in the meantime, Einstein?
- Send them back? Then you first need to figure out where they are from, and if their country of origin accepts them back. With the current number, that will take years.
- ignore them? They are on our streets, this is not a problem that goes away by your whining or by ignoring it
- put them in camps? What was that you said about radicalisation? Treat people like shit for a long time and yes, they will start to hate you.

So what's the solution here, Dinner? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

If you're a peripheral country with 2-3 months worth of migrants who keep arriving at a rate of about 10,000 a day, that probably doesn't seem like "sharing". It probably seems like being invaded by close to a million angry people who keep rioting, raping, and looting because few countries keep a million extra beds lying around.

Hahahahahah (x 24 more pages). You really have no idea what you're talking about.

The solution is to divide the problem into smaller problems.

For example, you make a subset of the migrants who are hot, young, and female. They don't need any help because they're hot, young, and female. It's like they have a license to print money.

Make a subset of the migrants who are elderly and stick them in with all the other elderly people, who won't even notice because all old people look the same.

Make a subset of the migrants who are young mothers and make them take in native kids. Yes, your day care costs are going to plummet, plus your kids will get to learn Arabic during the easy language-acquisition phase of life.

That leaves the draft age males. Draft them. Many already have combat experience and you can certainly pay them less, letting Europeans stand up larger armies for less money.

Like any illegal alien criminal you deport them or better yet not let them in to begin with. Send them back to Pakistan, East Africa, Bangladesh, etc... If their original country is unsafe they can be deported to where they originally had safe asylum. Second, my reading challenged friend, I have repeatedly said you help migrants in camps in safe countries in their region of origin and you only let refugees in AFTER their case has been reviewed and accepted. That is how the law is supposed to work, you numb nuts, so stop lying and saying I would not help genuine refugees.

This has been spelled out multiple times already in this thread yet you keep having diarrhea of the mouth and inventing strawman arguments about what you imagine my position to be, or what you wish my position to be... Anything but what I have actually repeatedly wrote as my position. Try to stop lying, you will be a better poster for it.

Weekly standard article

Best line: "European leaders have generally mocked Orbán for his provincialism, then denounced him for his immorality, and then pursued his policies to the letter:"

Except they are not refugees, not a single one of them. The vast majority come from countries the EU considers safe (40% from the balkans alone) and for the tiny fraction who might be actual refugees there is a nice safe legal process they can use but these people are deliberately ignoring the legal process, breaking the law, and so are nothing more than run of the mill illegal alien criminals. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it even if you choose to lie about it.

http://www.alipac.us/f9/muslim-%91i...ors-%93dirty-jews-%96-now-your-proper-323026/

This was from earlier this month and perfectly shows the attitudes of the muslim welfare migrants and what we can expect out of them.

http://news.yahoo.com/iraqis-ditch-fight-against-islamic-state-life-europe-111146740--finance.html

Merkel's incompetence is giving ISIS a huge boost. When she dangled the prospects of free welfare for everyone she started a stampede of benefits seekers. Not only that but whole units of the Iraqi military have deserted, abandoning their posts, all to join the mad rush for welfare in Germany.

I can't say I blame them. Why fight and die for a government which is totally corrupt especially when the politicians long ago sent their families off to Europe? It just goes to show thaterkel's incompetence just keeps screwing up more and more things.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423729/europe-migration-crisis-global-governance-democracy

National Review is right on this issue.

Their previous article on it was also well worth reading.

Europe’s Nervous Breakdown — Part 142

This sounds crazy but it just might work! And for all the environmentally conscious people, it's a "green" solution!

I'm referring to your insistence on calling these people animals. I actually have somewhat similar views as far as open borders, unrestricted immigration, and welfare, as well as the thuggish and rather childish way these "refugees" are behaving, but you take these views to a level that frankly makes me feel uncomfortable admitting to agreeing with you on anything. Given my family background, calling people animals just doesn't sit right to me, even if they are horrible people. And given how forceful you are about it, it sure as hell does look like you have a rather nasty prejudice, and it does indeed make you sound not unlike the Trump.

Who broke Dinner? We're in Midnight Voodoo Anomaly meets Captain Ahab territory here.

When people throw feces, break car windows and drag women out of the car by their hair kicking and screaming, before robbing a bus... I will call them animals and rightly so.

Well they're not plants or fungi!

This is somehow a problem for you? Are you pro-Assad now?

He's been like this since Charlie Hebdo.

It goes back longer than that.

Racist.

It can't be an invasion if these people are being INVITED to Europe. Germany basically laid out the welcome mat to these migrants so you can't very well expect them to stay away. To be fair, it's not just Germany but the EU as a whole has been pathetic in handling migrants that arrive illegally in Europe for years now. If there was an actual deterrent in place, maybe we won't see these chaotic scenes at borders in Eastern Europe, or migrant boats sinking, people drowning etc. Europe has basically done nothing to discourage this type of immigration so that simply encourages more to come over and try their luck. You can't blame them for that, most people would do the same in their situation.

Well, despite your clownish comments the EU is promising to review all applicants and give them either an up or down decision with in two months of submitting their application. Why do you suppose they would say that if it is not true? Or were you just running your mouth (and not for the first time)?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34321185

The hard reality is the system can work but the migrants don't want it to work because they don't give a rat's ass about the law and just want to force their way in to the states with the largest welfare payouts.

The EU is also being foolish for allowing any asylum seeker, much less those who broke the rules and came illegally, to bring over their extended families. Merkel is talking about raising the 800,000 figure to 1 million but we can expect 4-6 family members being brought over for every 1 accepted. That is going to be 4-6 million a year every year from here to eternity.

No. Let's review. You made the claim that 80% of Muslims are on 'welfare' in the EU. I provided some evidence that showed that to be false; I also asked you to show the evidence for your position. You posted a youtube video. I said that's not evidence, it's a youtube video. You then said, well why do you think he's lying? That's so unbelievably weak.

And I note that despite yet another wall of badly spelt text, you still haven't provided any evidence that your 80% claim is true.

Yeah, the system is working so well that hundreds of thousands are risking their lives on dangerous boat crossings, thousands having actually died this year. And of course if the system isn't working, well that's the fault of the refugees, who played no part in creating the system. Do you even read the nonsense you write?