Stop the torture of Bradley Manning

Or every former Vice President with a heart condition who does the same.

Then again, no one really wants to see him naked...

Please refresh my memory....

The century is still young...

You almost sort've have a point on this one, but I'll make a couple comments in regard to it anyway: At the time Cheney wasn't a "former" Vice President. He was the Vice President. Information is classified unless the appropriate authority declassifies it. Someone who's worked at the White House since he was 28, held office as a Congressman, and then served four years as Secretary of Defense probably has a little more credibility in deciding what is and isn't classified than a whiny little faggot PFC, serving his first enlistment, who has been busted down in rank more than once for being a whiny little faggot.

Just sayin'.

^I specified former Vice President so that no one would think I meant Biden. God knows he doesn't think before opening his mouth.

Also in both Manning and Cheney's cases, I'm sure they both knew very well the info they were leaking was classified and potentially damaging.

Sorry - not buying Cheney deliberately/intentionally releasing anything damaging. But what Volpone said....the young disgruntled soldier with a chip on his shoulder has zero credibility. He was leaking info just to get back at The Army.

Granted The Army administration/upper echelon is FUBAR like any huge corporation, and if he had a beef with The Army + their policies I can understand that. But doing things that are jeopardizing the mission and endangering other soldiers/aiding the enemy is not the way to woo public sentiment IMO.

There is a right + a wrong way to do things...some folks don't have a gift for telling the difference, like young Bradley.

I'm not saying he should get the death sentence, but if he really wants to commit suicide I won't rain on his parade.

So he accidentally released something damaging? Or did he deliberately release something non-damaging?

And Cheney outed an undercover CIA agent to get back at her husband.

I suppose. And Manning's alleged treason had far more potential for damage than Cheney's. Already a lot of undercover agents in Afghanistan have been recalled and some are still missing.

Or ol' Cheney.

First off, Valerie Plame was as much an "undercover agent" as my dick is. She had been an undercover agent, years ago. Now she had a desk job at Langley--although she still liked to maintain the illusion to impress people. Much the way her husband used it in his attempt to smear Bush. Once that happened, someone in the administration decided her cover status was less important than getting the truth about her husband's article out. We've been over all this before. The chance of anyone being harmed over "outing" Valerie Plame was minimal--and deemed acceptable by someone at at least the Vice President level in the administration.

On the other hand, the release of classified information from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan--as well as the diplomatic cables undoubtedly got people hurt or killed.

Thanks Volpone for the back story to the CIA cover being blown (note to self....use blown cover line in next porn screenplay).

Anyway, how can anyone not see the Manning situation as way more damaging? This war is still being fought while manning (code name Blue Falcon) leaked info that could damage his "brothers" in his own military!

How much more self centered, spineless and treasonous can you get?
Hang em' high - along with that Fort Hood doctor shitbag.

In my opinion, Manning is the perfect example of one the key problems with our society (generally speaking) today. That of people not being raised to remember that they are responsible for their actions and what they say. This man thinks that he can do and say anything free of consequence. At this point, this guy gets no sympathy from me. I just came across the following article:

Link

Neo-Conservative = Fascism.

You know I'm right.

Where does Dick Cheney fit into anything about the leak?

I could see a case against Robert Novack.

Or Richard Armitage.

Maybe Karl Rove.

And even a role for Scooter Libby .

But Cheney? What source is that from? What role do you understand Dick to have played in the Plame "leak?"

That is right.

I hate Neo-Conservatives almost more than I hate liberals and Democrats.

Now old-school Conservatives are another deal entirely.

Kind of an interesting logo to say the least.

He admitted as much

And Volpone, the idea that Plame wasn't undercover at the time her identity was released is entirely false.

I'm no Cheney defender, he did what he did.

And I'd be happiest if the "outing" of the super spy Val Plame (whose identity was known only to the highest level CIA controls and a bunch of mid-level diplomats and Rob Novack) would remain a dead topic (and she ought to be compensated fairly for every field mission she couldn't do because she'd been blown) and her husband should be tomatoed for his serial lying.

But

hardly means "Cheney admitted" he was leak.

^Keep reading. He knew full well what his actions would lead to.

FIFY

I reversed the GOP symbol to make it rightside up.

Otherwise I like it a great deal.

It seems reminiscent to one of the Nazi symbols.

And I seem to recall blasting Dick Cheney like his bird hunting buddy for that one. What's your point?

^See posts 412 and 421.

Actually it reminds me of the Russian double headed eagle symbol.

I've always been a big fan of Russian history.

It's meant to.

Sure, whatever.

But bear in mind that the it's true because "I believe it's true" and "some guy said it on his blog" arguments don't count for much, and ain't gonna count for squat if used on a topic I'd care to argue about.

Armistead was the lead.
Novack publicized.
Libby was busted for perjury.
Wilson got his job in Niger because his wife Plane was connected (and she was more a secret agent than I am, but that's about it).

Those are examples of facts.

What's with the constant attempts to sidetrack the issue? This isn't about Dick Cheney, Valerie Plame nor the military abuse at Abu Garib. This is about PFC Manning and his leaking of classified information. The courts are going to be passing their judgement of this individual based on what HE did, not what Dick Cheney or any of the others did. If you want to discuss those other issues start another thread.

Actually, this (as in the thread) is about the torture of PFC Manning. Hence other instances of torture by the same organisations are very relevant indeed.

Well, the neo-con symbol, doesn't have a double head on it. It is definitely more reminiscent of the Nazi's. Kind of disgusting why you'd ever want a symbol that is even remotely similar.
Nazi

Russian

I agree.

You do not define what is torture in this situation. You also choose to ignore the comments and statements a prick like Manning was stupid enough to make.

But, you tend to manage to find a way to side with the wrong side on most issues.