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Did you use the fluttershy stare on them or something? Did something happen where you had to terrorize people, or are they just naturally this skittish?

I've always been against murdering people, but I'm a communist, and there are posters here who absorbed a lot of Red Scare propaganda in their lives. So despite everything to the contrary, because I'm a communist, ol' @Demiurge here thinks I just want to murder people because Stalin I guess? (that is, despite my being an Anarchist Communist and not a Marxist-Leninist anyway).

The entire history of communism and any implementation of it in any form requires at the very best, imprisonment, and at the very worst, murder. Same goes for socialism.

When you look from that perspective you also see that capitalism has the same problems. That is because the cause is humans, and not the economic system governing them.

It is a hysterical viewpoint brought up to attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself, and in this case is so fundamentally obtuse. I would imagine there might be things that would bring you to a murderous rage, but the idea that you would be so sadistic and malevolent for such a shallow reason is a huge misrepresentation of everything I have seen from you.

This idea that communists are so evil is just pure jingoistic propaganda. It is so intellectually dishonest that the person who is making such claims shows themselves to be the intellectual equals of Trumpian cult beliefs. Communism is just not evil. Sure some people who claim to be communists and socialists have been evil and terrible people, but the systems themselves are not inherently evil. One could even make the argument that capitalism is based on greed and therefor is morally more evil than communism and socialism which seek to lift up all participating members of the community rather than just the ones who happen to be strong enough to take the best resources.

Going down that road systems of christianity and charity are far more socialist and communistic than capitalist. The new testament, The jesus part of the bible, preaches against things like corporate greed and denounces the establishment of great wealth for the minority of people.

or maybe just seeing an obvious connection, and possibly predicting Greta's next career move.

Greta or Amaris?

OK, who gave him too much candy?

We'll never get him to settle at this rate.

Communism is not evil? I might give you some leeway on socialism (depending on the definition many countries including the U.S. practice it to varying degrees) but full bore communism
as practiced in the year 2021 is indeed evil no matter how you slice it.

Both. Sorry @Amaris

It is not inherently evil, it is humans that do the evil using it as a construct for power.

It is the same point you make about guns not being evil. It is what you do with the gun that is the evil acts. It is the same thing with communism. It is what you do with it that makes it evil.

It's what propaganda does. It's why the millions of people who die under capitalism is just a tragedy disconnected from capitalism itself, while every death under communism must be because it is truly evil. The US is a master at propagandizing its people, like when a black man shoots a person, it's indicative of black on black crime, but when a white man shoots a hundred people, he's just a lone wolf. That propaganda, aided by white privilege, and the racist foundation of this country, keeps people in the dark, and feeds them just enough misinformation to make them embrace their "betters" rather than reject them.

I love the people, but I neither trust nor like the US government.

While all that is true, I think it's fucking hilarious that the end result of that train of thought for you is 'SO COMMUNISM!'

Take a look at the various socialist parties in Europe that attempted that and then realized that communism can't work, and people won't accept it because of how it always becomes authoritarian.

They all took the basic precepts of social welfare and applied it to capitalism, and the 'democratic socialism' or 'socialist democracy' they created is clearly the best governance system we've created, where the engine of capitalism is harnessed to the welfare of the people.

Why you'd want to risk another descent into the hellhole of Stalinism, Leninism or Maoism is completely beyond me, and anarcho-syndicalism has always failed when attempted because it lacks the organizational doctrine to compete with other systems.

That's certainly your opinion, and you're free to it. I disagree with your conclusions.

Because you’ve fallen into the same trap true believers always do . . . “It will work this time because the right people will be in charge!”
Never mind that it has never once worked anywhere and is completely contrary to human nature.

Show me where I said that.
Also, show me where I talk about people being in charge, because AnarchoCommunism is non-hierarchical.

Princess Buttercup: We'll never survive.
Wesley: Nonsense. You are only saying that because no one ever has.

They did, of course, but that was a faerie tale for kids.

There are workable solutions IRL, but if something has been tried for 200 years in history and has never worked, another aphorism comes to mind.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Oh, I think I mentioned that just a few posts ago. Oh, right:

...and anarcho-syndicalism has always failed when attempted because it lacks the organizational doctrine to compete with other systems.

Neither of these posts shows any indication where I supposedly said "it will work this time because the right people will be in charge."

You all need a new hobby.

I said it won't work because it's innately inadequate.

And obviously so.

I already said that's your opinion and you're free to it. I disagree with your conclusions.
Anything else is drawing things out to be a dick and, quite frankly, my time has value.

If you don't want to discuss ideas, what are you doing on a discussion board?

And your time has no more value than anyone else's.

But good thing you've stated it's a waste of time to reply, so I don't have to read more inanity after your last post.

My time has value, not "my time has more value than yours."

If it's that easy for you to screw that up, no wonder you're running in circles.
Meh, you do you.

You are still wasting your valuable time posting.

Nah, at the moment I'm multi-tasking, but I genuinely do not have interest in useless discussion. I don't mean discussion in general, I like talking, but if what I say is going to be ignored in favor of what you assume, who needs me? You can go on all day and just make up straw men to knock down at your leisure, and save everyone the frustration.

Oh, so you'll stop using 'my time is too valuable' dodge then? Because it's just another pretentious douchebag move, and you have quite a few of those.

And clearly you have the time.

Yes, you aren't going to convince me that history is wrong and that this time your extremism will work - just like you never would have convinced me of your extremism in your fundie days.

History is not on your side, but I find it telling you won't mount a defense for anyone else who is reading this exchange.

[ watches another straw man explode ]

Nice work.

As I said. Telling.