"The 1980's are calling to ask for their foreign policy back."

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Steal Your Face, Jan 8, 2022.

  1. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I think you are still missing the reality of this. This is the Alien and Sedition act.

    This law applies to people talking about the Russian military in any negative way.

    You give a speech to a crowd that the Russian military shouldn't be in Ukraine, jail. That they are doing poorly in Ukraine, jail. That western sanctions are justified, jail.

    You go online and do so, jail.

    Even if you are telling the truth - ESPECIALLY if you are telling the truth.

    This is not at all the same thing as a person with security clearance we trusted with security information and release it to the world you face jail time.

    It is several orders of magnitude broader in scope.
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  3. Ancalagon

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    Right to jail.

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  4. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Ummm… Yeah. First off, that fucking sucks for the teachers of KY. But secondly someone better be looking into the WHY.

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  6. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Oh, I realise that very much.

    As I said, degree not type. At least two of the players I mentioned were acting according to their consciences, making unpalatable truths known.

    That they were entrusted with secrets to mind does not offset the fact those secrets were being held to avoid embarrassment around the conduct of a war.

    The Rusian example is much wider in scope and more invasive, but not entirely dissimilar.
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    Look up the deal between Russia and KY for a Russian aluminum foundry to be built in KY and you’ll have your answer.
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    Aren't those the things that they released very impressive videos of being fired during their recent exercises? How many of them are they likely to have?
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    These are anti-aircraft systems. You likely saw Rocket Artillery which Russia has in spades* and are quite impressive.

    *Compared to the US and other Western militaries the Russians have about twice the artillery per combined arms unit.
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    Stalin was big on artillery. He called it “The Red God of War.”
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  17. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    So you don't understand there is a difference in type between general freedom of speech among the populace and people who signed oaths to keep classified materials in confidence?

    Wow. OK.
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  19. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    No, I just hold that there are higher ethical imperatives than those oaths.

    Maintaining that oath where it is properly applied for national security is a long stretch from allowing it to be abused as a means to cover wrong doing.

    In both cases I see people speaking out against the crimes of their country.
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    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    No ill intent.....
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    There will be a temptation among some of the more immature males on this board to make a joke about menstruating women at this point.

    I would like to state that such childishness will not be tolerated.

    Period.
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    Some reports of Russian armoured units firing on each other.... friendly fire incident, deliberate attack by those wanting peace vs hardliners, or just a case of Ukraine-captured vehicles being deployed against the Russians without a repaint that would allow a casual observer to tell?
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  24. Ancalagon

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    Don’t care. Still hate Monday Motor Stables. :bailey:
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    Much (most?) of Ukraine's military is equipped with Russian-designed weaponry. Everything from rifles to fighter jets. Easy to mistake friend for foe when they're riding around in the same tanks and IFVs.

    Especially at night, when IR/thermal imaging comes into play.
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    Seriously though, you know every Motor Pool NCO is going to be insufferable now. I can just imagine the lectures as people just try and get their 2404s signed off on.
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    One of the comments on the tweet I posted with the same video as yours said the same thing. :lol:
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    Bye bye, motherfucker.

    https://crooksandliars.com/2022/03/former-fox-news-director-charged-doj
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