"The 1980's are calling to ask for their foreign policy back."

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Bill Carson, Jan 8, 2022.

  1. MikeH92467

    MikeH92467 RadioNinja

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    Uh I don't think expects you to do that. It does sound like you believe anyone who believes its fake is doing that. When it comes to propaganda wars this is exactly the kind of thing the Japanese put out ahead of the American invasion of Okinawa. Doesn't make the video false, but taking it at face value would be just as risky as dismissing it out of hand. In any case, I would expect you to take a more intellectually honest position than Fearless Leader or Joe Rogan. :brood:
  2. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Get back on your medication.
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  3. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Not at all. If you (or anyone) thinks it's fake, please tell me why. I'm open to the argument.

    But "it's fake because I don't like it" is not a good argument.
    I totally agree. It could be false because it would tend to make Russian troops less apt to surrender. But there merely being a motive for it to be false doesn't make it false.
    How is my position dishonest?

    I've said the video is out there. Fact.
    I've said it's going to have an impact. Probably factual (we'll see).
    I've said I'm open to arguments it's not true. I can't prove that to you, but I haven't dismissed any solid arguments. :shrug:
  4. MikeH92467

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    How about "intellectually sloppy?" I haven't seen anyone reject it out of hand, but I think it's quite fair to question its provenance. The two are not the same. Actually if you had said from the beginning that it might be fake, but would still have an impact, you'd have been just fine. Just putting out there with none of your own context and then claiming that anyone who questioned it was dismissing because they don't like it, is at best, passive/aggressive bullshit.
  5. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I haven't seen an argument for it being fake that had any substance.

    Yes, the pro-Russian side has motivation to fake something like this. But motivation isn't evidence.

    Yes, the pro-Russian side is motivated to circulate this. But that's true whether it's fake or not.

    What's your best argument that it's fake?

    "It's fake because it helps Russia in some way" is the intellectually sloppy argument. It's also dangerously, deliberately blind. News of the My Lai massacre surely helped the NVA and the Vietcong; that didn't make it untrue.
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  6. MikeH92467

    MikeH92467 RadioNinja

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    Where dif I (or anyone else) say it’s fake?:waiting:
  7. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    If you're open to the possibility of it being real, what have we to argue about? :lol:

    I say "I'm not sure but it could be real" and you say "I'm not saying it's fake." What's the difference between our positions?

    I posted it so others could be aware of it and decide for themselves.
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    I found this from reddit.
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  10. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    See, that's a reasonable argument that it's fake.

    I'm not sure it's a good argument as I think it's based on Hollywood expectations of bloodiness, but it's worth considering.
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  13. matthunter

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    Paladin's usual posting style seems a bit off in the last couple of posts.

    Not the stupidity, but the linguistic style.

    Has he been replaced by a Russian shitposter? And why, since he was doing such a fine job?

    I'm just putting it out there. You decide.

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  14. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    The video analysis is worth reviewing.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Это совершенно абсурдно.
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    I agree. You've done a shit job, I was commenting from the perspective of Eric Trump.
  17. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I'm not a biologist, but I have no idea what getting shot in the knee looks like, vis-a-vis instant blood splatter.
    From what I've read about bullet wounds, hydrostatic shock often blows blood back into the blood vessels and tissue, so it's not immediate visible, and will pump or pour out a moment later.
    So,
    1) awful as kneecapping is, I wouldn't blame a Ukranian for doing it, either out of anger, vengeance, or to keep the Russkie from ever fighting them again.
    2) If it is what's claimed, at least they didn't execute their POWs.
    3) Yup, this is exactly the kind of propaganda video the Russians would make (only if it was, why didn't they stage the POWs being killed?).

    So I can't form an opinion for sure one way or the other based on the video, BUT, it sure looks like bullshit to me. :D
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  18. Bill Carson

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    I wouldn't blame the Ukrainians for doing this, if true, because the Russians bombed civilians, hospitals, apartment buildings, etc.. however; it is technically a war crime. Will they be put on trial for it, I highly doubt it unless things get increasingly worse.
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    I hope I got this right.
    Это Wordforge, чего вы ожидаете?
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  20. Paladin

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    Close enough.

    I might rather say...

    Чего бы ты ожидаешь?
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  21. Dr. Krieg

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    More Ham Fisted Russian bullshit.
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    1) I appreciate @Paladin sharing the video. I had heard about it but hadn’t seen it.

    2) No real comment as to authenticity. Generally speaking folks tend not to record crimes but, Abu Graib… :shrug:

    Also, there is no context. Are these supposed to Regular Ukrainian forces? Militia? What about the EPWs? Who are they supposed to be? Russians? Collaborators? What had they just done?

    3) Regardless if those are Ukrainian Forces and if those are Russian EPWs and if it isn’t fake then that is a clear violation of the Laws of Armed Conflict.

    4) Just sloppy EPW handling all around.

    The Five Ss:
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    Speed to the Rear

    These guys should have been tagged, gagged and bagged immediately.
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  23. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    And the video has now been removed from Youtube (and, apparently, from Twitter as well), so whether it's real or fake, important or insignificant, you won't be able to see it to make up your own mind. Others have decided you shouldn't see it.

    Edit: still available some places. Here's the Reddit with a much longer cut. Dunno if this is real, but it certainly has the feel.of authenticity.

    Reddit linkage
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  24. Jenee

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    Do you know why that is?

    Because the 2016 election highlighted the fact that most people get their news by headlines. That putting news on social media is dangerous for a society. News should come from valid and above reproach news sources. Facebook and Twitter, et al, are such large platforms they have decided, as privately owned businesses, to stop the proliferation of propaganda and misinformation.

    This should be a sign to you that the contents of the video could be misleading.

    I suggest using the media bias chart and attempting to find a reputable news source to confirm the contents of the video.
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  25. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Ah, like with Hunter Biden's laptop.

    Nah, I'll look and make up my own mind. I don't need someone else to determine if I should see it or not. People who claim to protect us from disinformation can have agendas of their own.
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  26. Jenee

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    Your reading comprehension is horrific.

    I said nothing about whether or not you should see the video. Just suggested you question the source.
  27. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Yeah, Hunter Biden's laptop is going to take down the Biden administration... any... day.... now.... LOL.

    It's hilarious that you think that represents knowledge on your part.

    It's just another example of you falling for disinformation.

    But then, you've bought the fascist bs hook, line and sinker - it was just 'legitimate political discourse.'

    Your brain is bought and paid for.
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    Maybe you should stop picking on people who are doing the same sort of thing you do to trans people. Just a thought.
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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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