The 2020 Presidential General Election thread

Not cool to dox Tuttle like that.

Well, from what we know from Stormy Daniels, he does a lot of things prematurely.

That's his pattern. He learned that from Roy Cohn. Doesn't matter what the odds of you winning the lawsuit are, you file a shit ton of them to tie things up and hope that your opponents run out of money before you do. Given that the Biden campaign managed to rake in far more than Trump has, I'm reasonably certain if Trump starts filing suits places like the ACLU (who'll no doubt get involved in the process) won't have trouble getting the money to fight him.

How will Ohio vote in 2020?
The winner of Ohio has won the presidential election 93% of the time for over a century. Scott Pelley speaks with voters there to understand how they feel about the race between Biden and Trump.

Can't trust anything you see these days..

Coronapaloza on Tour

to be fair, you have to be a James Woods level idiot to see THAT sign and THOSE coats and think "definitely looks like 86 degree Tampa to me!"

We really should identify what pathology has brought us to the place where leading by TEN FUCKING POINTS is considered a slight and vulnerable advantage.
Poling experts have told us for years that Dems need to win by at least 3-4 to be safe. Okay. It sucks and it's anti-democratic but okay, so be it.

NOW everyone is worried that winning by TEN isn't enough?
Fuck that noise.
I'm not saying Trumpublican's turn into full-on fasicism to try and steal it in plain sight won't succeed (temporarily, at the cost of killing the union) - but actually win without such dramatic bullshit?
Ain't gonna happen.


ETA: and no, the data NEVER said Clinton was a shoe-in, conventional wisdom said this country had come to far for anyone as obviously until as Trump to ever win a national election...which is to say conventional wisdom underestimated the cravenness of the GOP

But the science of polling, particularly over the last two weeks, never said "he can't possibly..."

Beyond that, there was a whole series of bullshit that happened in 2016 that hasn't happened in 2020, most notably the Comey letter.

This. Is. NOT. 2016.

If he is behind he\the GOP wants those votes to be counted, if he is slightly ahead he wants to block them...

And he did it again.

^^^ What an asshole. If you attended the rally and that alone doesn't sway your opinion, you're too stupid to live.

It gave Ed and me time to get acquainted.

Conventional wisdom in 2016 got a lot of things wrong: the GOP's tactics, Trump's appeal as a candidate, and the absolute hatred of Clinton that was actually quite widespread.

Latest poll looks good for Biden in six swing states

https://floridapolitics.com/archive...nt-lead-in-six-swing-states-including-florida

You keep saying this but she got about 2.8 million more votes than Trump. If she was so hated she wouldn’t have been as viable. I understand we have an electoral system that harkens back to slavery times i.e. land and corn is more important than raw votes; but this obsession about Clinton’s likeability is overdone.

Yeah but when you factor the disgust for trump in, she should have had much more.

And Obama got close to ten million more votes in 2008 and 5 million more votes in 2012. This while Trumps vote gain was only two million more than Romney and three reliable blue states flipped. There is nothing over blown about it

The point is, in a rational universe Trump should have been curb stomped. But he wasn't. And a lot of that was due to the extreme dislike of Hillary, which both motivated Republicans to come out and demotivated the more left-wing elements of the Democrats.

Let's see if Trump gets curb stomped tomorrow. I'm thinking he won't be.

I think what enabled Trump to win in 2016 more than anything--Hillary included--was his uniquely Trumpian brand of quasi-fascist, racist populism. And with four years of time spent building his cult of personality in office, I wouldn't count him out yet.

Who says we're in a rational universe?

I also don't think it's true that Hillary (or anyone) curbstomps Trump. Except for Ted Cruz, none of the GOP challengers had particularly high negatives, and yet Trump handily won the nomination. There was an inherent apppeal to him based on a) he's not a politician b. he "speaks his mind" and c. he had cultivated for years the image of a successful businessman.

It was noted by a British comedian a few years back that, for all the supposed hate of "benefits cheats", the Americans LOVE a grifter or a charlatan. The dodgy sort who never has a proper job but "gets by" by scamming rubes.

Look at the appeal of folk like Barnum. Hucksters and shysters.

Of course, this type of character doesn't cheat to get minimum level government support. No, they con others out of their savings or businesses, or cheat gub'mint in a bigly manner.

Now, he was referencing the love for Yogi Bear, who is basically just a fucking thief if you view him objectively, but it applies easily to Trump.

How dare you besmirch the good name of Yogi Bear.

Please. If they'd made him a black bear, you'd be cheering the guys who shot him for trying to steal their picnic baskets.

#BlackBearsMatter

Human encroachment on the Jellystone region made Yogi Bear not only possible, but a virtual inevitability. Don't blame Yogi. Blame man and his pic-a-nic baskets, the scourge of nature.

Vegas knows a failed casino owner when he tries to grift them.