The All Time Greatest Random Mass Shooting Thread

you are aware that Chicago (indeed most towns & cities) has multiple zip codes, correct? Assuming you do, my apologies, I assumed you knew that that Quest lives in Chicago.

"My guess -- universal background checks wouldn't cause them to lose money, but they have figured out that gun owners' paranoia is a fantastic marketing tool." - Tafkats

Goodness gracious I read that too fast at first. I thought you said "gun grabber paranoia is a fantastic recruiting tool" - for the left of course.
Ya know, that "afraid to go to school or shopping" because there is a .0001 percent chance of them eating a bullet within their lifetime.

Chicago is a very large city. You brought up zip codes. I assumed you knew what conversation you were initiating. My bad.

You are totally ruining his fantasy of getting a bunch of guns and going up to chicago like mad max and killing the psychotic crazies who all happen to be black. Then he will be wyatt oldfella and everyone will love him. Him and his fucking gun.

This whole gun cultrue thing walks hand in hand with the whole white supremacy hero complex. They are going to teach all them brownies a fucking lesson for ruining old america by getting rights like freedom, land owning, jobs, and voting. Those are male whypipo things and the world went to shit after they gave them to other people. (Oh, and please mark this so you can pull it out of context later @Ten Lubak )

That makes sense in a cynical way, but you're forgetting that 83% of gun owners and 72% of NRA members are in favor of expanded background checks. Why would they risk turning off the overwhelming majority of their market in order to pay lip service to a minority?

Because gunmakers operate on razor-thin margins and anything that might slow down their sales makes them nervous.

200 years ago (or so), the majority of gun owners needed the gun, be it for self-protection, or to put food on the table. Now? The vast majority of gun owners will only ever use their guns for target practice or sport hunting. That makes the gun a luxury item, not a necessity. So, people aren't necessarily going to buy one for shits and giggles if the economy takes a hit. And when you're dealing with a durable good item, like a gun, they're unlikely to wear out quickly, so it's not like you can expect a customer to buy a new one once they've put a few thousand rounds through one.

100 years ago (or so), gunmakers all had some kind of side business, like making sewing machines, typewriters, or other precision equipment. Typewriters are no more (and, IIRC, the gunmakers all quit the business around the time electric ones started showing up), sewing machines are in low demand, and made by cheaper labor overseas, and guns aren't the leaders in precision any more, so they don't have the specialized gear that you need to make the most precise stuff. The kind of things they can make is generally out-sourced to general machine shops, or to low-wage places overseas. There's not a lot of secondary markets they can get into without making radical changes to their operations, unlike say, Ford, when Henry decided to start making farm tractors. Without substantial investments in new gear (as well as new employees who've got the skills to run those machines), they're limited to making guns, and that's it.

Nope. I knew what I was doing.

I've known two people who had ~$100K tied up in firearms. One guy said that he needed all those guns to defend himself against the government. The other guy said that he just liked collecting them. Which one do you think I felt safer around?

because most of the mass shootings are in GUN FREE ZONES you stupid fuck David Hogg. The "good guys" don't want to go to prison for carrying a gun in a gun free zone because...ya know...they are good guys and obey the law and shit you fucking oxygen thief.

Then why risk alienating 80+% of their market?

Name anyone who's going to stop buying guns because gunmakers block UBCs.

You just suggested they were worried the minority would stop buying guns because they didn't block UBCs. Why is it a one way street? Are you saying the 80+ percent of gun owners who want a UBC wouldn't consider that when buying a gun, but the <20 percent who don't support a UBC would?

But personally, I'd consider changing my brand loyalty over it.

Because one group is more motivated than others. Compare the size of groups showing up at Straight Pride Parades to those showing up at Gay Pride Parades. And you said you'd consider changing your brand loyalty, that's it. Do you think the folks telling gunmakers they don't like UBCs, that they'd "consider" changing their brand loyalty, or do you think that they're telling the gunmakers in no uncertain terms they'll never buy another one of their guns?

I can only speak for myself, but if I were a CEO, I'd be more concerned about alienating the majority of my market over the minority.

But the majority isn’t sending you death threats.

When my father owned our VHS rental store we had a guy that came in to repair VCRs. He loved the older VCRs because they were made not to break. He went through and showed us how the new ones were just made to break within a couple of years of use so you would have to buy a new one.

It is not true a company cannot innovate and make better products. Tippmann Pneumatics produced the most durable paintball markers in existence. There were some problems with the 68 special design, but after that they had a beautiful semi auto that upu could abuse to fuck and back and that thing would work. The only other gun design that came close to simplicity and reliability was the automag. I went to an auction and bought a few used tippman M98's for a dollar a piece when setting up my rental field. They were seized shut with debris. Every one of them I had working like a charm with a good tear down and cleaning.

My grandmothers old singer sewing machine that works on pedals and belts still works today. You cannot break that thing beyond repair without some effort.

I am sensing -- hostility!

there is no legitimate gun free zone when you allow guns to flood all around. If we really had a good old restriction on guns being everywhere there would be less shootings and problems with guns.

She is trying to take away the toddler's safety blanket and he is scared to live in a world without his gun.

Because the other 20% is the crazy loudmouths that will poison the other 80% against anyone who isn't completely with them? Probably they also buy a disproportionate number of guns?

Another patriotic American exercises his Second Amendment rights.

yes, a restriction on guns would stop all the inner city drug dealing gangs from shooting up the joint! Because career violent criminals might be committing felonies all day long, but ban guns and they will be the first ones to give their up.

so you're afraid to live in a world without your drugs? Damn that's just pathetic.

I saw his picture - obviously a white supremacist right wing Trumpista extremist.

Are you suggesting that because he's black, WAB is incorrect in that he cannot possibly be a patriotic American exercising his second amendment rights?

How many do restrictions have to stop before you consider them worthwhile?

How many do they have to sacrifice before you rule them out?

If they aren't effective then change them.

The government rarely ever gives back power, even when it’s shown to be ineffective.

no, I was referring to the abundant lefty stereotyping of gun nuts being white right wing racist conservatives. If that never happens I stand corrected.