The Amazon is burning

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by RickDeckard, Aug 23, 2019.

  1. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Amazon is burning?

    Alexa, order 50,000 fire extinguishers.

    "NOW PLAYING WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE BY BILLY JOEL."
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  2. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    You know there are ways to use the military as a tool short of invasion, conquest or even major military action.

    A blockade for example.
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  3. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    A military blockade would be a military action. But thanks for stupid.
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  4. matthunter

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  5. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    False. Apartheid and South Africa.

    There are three necessary conditions for economic sanctions to work:

    1) The economy of the sanctioned country must be sufficiently tied into the economies of the sanctioning countries (and those they have influence over) as to have major economic impacts.

    2) The populous must be well enough informed as to understand the cause of the economic impacts.

    3) The populous must have the ability to influence government policy.

    Brazil fits all three criteria and so would be a good candidate for economic sanctions.
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  7. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    You left off the most important:

    4) For economic sanctions to be effective, you have to have the leader of a nation actually give a damn his country and its people.

    In the case of South Africa they did at that time (DeKlerk wasn't it).
    On the other hand, Iraq was subject to horrific economic sanctions from 1991 -2003 that killed 30,000 civilians a year, yet Saddam Hussein in 2003 was still firmly entrenched.
    So does the leader of Brazil care about Brazil and its people? Serious question as I don't know much about him.
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  8. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Reread point 3.

    Slowly.
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  9. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    I did not disagree with you. But point 4 is still perfectly valid.
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  10. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    That would be like listing the things I could do which are preferable to chopping my own leg off at the knee.

    But if we want a country to run the world which would reduce net carbon emissions then it would be Somalia surely?

    Y'know, since they produce far less than you do per capita, as do lots of other countries.

    Of course Somalia has nowhere near the military power to take over the world but neither do you.

    They have very little economy or industry, but then again in terms of reducing emissions that would be a good thing right?
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    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Point 4 is incorporated by point 3, which is what @Ancalagon is trying to gently draw your attention to.
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  12. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Yeah we kind of need the Amazon.
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  13. Dayton Kitchens

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    If the American public was behind it we could get it.
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    Reading comprehension is not the @Dayton Kitchens friend.
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    Arkansas, and @Dayton Kitchens produce very little military power. They pretty much rely on the rest of the country to protect them. If the US as a nation were to fall arkansas and it's post-native native son's would probably be rounded up and used by other more powerful states.
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    Is this what happens when you combine Dayquill with Tylonel PM? :unsure:
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    Yes Anakin.
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    Telling brown people what they should do with their own country?

    You imperialist racists.





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  21. Dayton Kitchens

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    You know it wouldn't hurt the U.S. to send all the firefighting units we can spare if they will do any good. I mean we've done it for other countries. Though this looks too big for a few dozen aerial tankers to make that big a difference.
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    We've sent our biggest plane.
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    Brazil is an extremely diverse country with a long history of colonialism, slavery, and European immigration. Brazilians are not uniformly "brown."
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  24. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Neither are Mexicans. :shrug:
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    There was a cheerleader who went to church with us when I was teaching at Hermitage. Her father was from Brazil. She was quite stunning. Still is if her pictures on social media are any judge.

    I remember when the 747 tanker was sent to Israel to fight wildfires about a decade ago I think it was. It was a big event when it arrived. I heard that it alone had more water capacity than all the other tankers in Israel combined.
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    Your pal Donnie T doesn't seem to know that...
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    Nor does anyone who claims our border policy is racist.
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  30. Dayton Kitchens

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    President Donald Trump doesn't know most things and has no interest in learning either. Not sure how that is relevant.
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