The Death of Ahmaud Arbery

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  1. Jenee

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    Poor baby. Fuck you. No. Request denied.
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    It’ll never match the prejudice a lot of white people have against brown/black people. :brood:
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    While true. The thing is, if it’s something you’re going to have to lie about/deny later, you shouldn’t be doing it/having it now. He knew his great big fat dumbass was wrong but he did it anyway. It’s prison for you, asshole.
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    It sounds like the way the Georgia law is written that the judge really doesn't have much room to do anything about systematic exclusion of anyone as long as they have an "alternative" excuse besides race.
    The defense attorney is upset that there weren't enough rednecks on the jury.
    "It would appear that White males born in the South, over 40 years of age, without four-year college degrees, sometimes euphemistically known as 'Bubba' or 'Joe Six Pack,' seem to be significantly underrepresented," defense attorney Kevin Gough, who represents Bryan, told the court Friday.
    "Without meaning to be stereotypical in any way, I do think there is a real question in this case whether that demographic is underrepresented in this jury pool," Gough added. "And if it is, then we have a problem with that."

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  6. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    The test on this comes from a U.S. Supreme Court case called Batson v. Kentucky.

    In brief: to accuse a side of discrimination, the accuser has to show a pattern that could be discrimination. Say, of the 10 possible black jurors, the accused tried to strike 8. Or the accused tried to strike 3 black jurors but no white jurors.

    If a judge says "Yeah, that sounds like a pattern," then the accused has to provide non-discriminatory reasons why they tried for the strikes.

    Then the judge decides if it believes those reasons enough in finding whether there was discrimination.

    On the one hand, this test should be easy enough to pass for even the most racist of attorneys, especially knowing that it's potentially coming. All you have to do is come up with a superficial cover for your racism and most likely your judge is not going to say that your offered reason is merely a pretext in each of the cases.

    On the other, people can see patterns where they don't exist, particularly when you are talking about small numbers like less than 50 in most cases. It's not an attorney's fault if someone who seems to clearly have a bias against your client but does just enough to pretend to be fair happens to be of a given race or gender.
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    Good. That was straight up murder
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    but the toenails :bergman:
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    Justice served. How can anyone even consider chasing down anyone with shotguns and trucks, and then have that person fight back/defend himself allow you to claim self defense.

    Doesn't matter what he may have done previously, at that time he was not committing a crime, or one that merited using deadly force.

    Fuck those rednecks. Hope they rot in prison.
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    Just wondering when Trump is going to offer those boys a pardon if he gets re-elected.
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    While I despise the concept of felony murder in general, it seems appropriate here. Justice served.
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    Good.

    They weren't convicted on federal charges.
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    You think trump understands that?
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    Sorry buddy. Maybe next time. :(
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    I'm not unhappy with the verdict. :shrug:
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    Yeah, southern white trash....inferior in every way...
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    See, you have something in common with the McMichaels: racist views!
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    SWT are well documented.
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    Yep, straight up murder. Sorry, but you don't get to play John Wayne in this situation.
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    When was john wayne about killing black people for jogging? How the fuck is what they did playing john wayne?

    It is more like you don't get to play libertarian making a citizens arrest because we have police for that sort of thing.
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    "Southern white trash" isn't a race, despite their best efforts. #incest :async:
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    Oh, it's a race.

    To the bottom.
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    Being from the south I know white trash when I see it. The problem is there were 11 white people on the jury who do as well. If it makes you feel better you can take the word "white" out and come to the same conclusion. Those people are trash and the prosecutors played it exactly right. There wasn't need for them to make any kind of big deal about it, because it would have just been overkill. Decent people don't kill other people over stuff like that, even in the deep south...which I count as progress.
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    It app
    It appears that some experts (which, we all know I am not) agree with my analysis.
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    if only those judging the Rittenhouse case had started from such a presumption...
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    The same argument was made about the victims in the Rittenhouse case and it worked as well. The two cases were similar in one sense: the winning attorneys downplayed emotional appeals and emphasized the law. The juries based their verdicts on their understanding of the law. That's not always satisfying, but courts aren't where society's problems get resolved. They are where legal issues are resolved. Those paths can cross at times, but not always.
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