The DeSantis is a Corrupt Bastard Thread

And for the umpteenth GODDAMN time, I'm not talking about thr "feeling" of guilt, but guilt in the sense that implies real-world liability. I will not see people born into debts and obligations.

Neat idea, let's reboot away the deficit for every generation.
Do we do it at the maternity ward, or at high school graduation when they come of age?

Bitch, reparations are about apologizing to people born into debts and obligations.

you can't have it both ways. one off is a one off and either both are banned or neither are banned.

So, corporations still in existance today should pay reparations?

Or just fuck the descendants of the victims who were forced into poverty? and it's their own fault for turning to crime and it's their fault for no succumbing to racist police? and it's their fault for living their lives and not living up to your expectations?

Do it. It's all pretend money anyway. We'll just print more as Ukraine needs.

Nobody owes an apology for actions they did not personally take. That's exactly the kind of shit that should not be drilled into the heads of impressionable students.

So. Just to be clear.

You do NOT believe teachers are telling white students slavery is their fault.

You are just against reparations being paid from taxpayer money. Is that correct?

Be clearer on what the fuck you are saying. On one hand, we are talking about teachers actually doing things, and I am saying "Hey you! Stop that!"

For your comparison to be valid, I would be doing the same with someone who is currently shooting at people.

Paying it from taxpayer money is holding current generations liable for the actions of previous generations, whether they lived on the continent and participated in slavery or not.

No.

You are saying "all teachers are doing this" and I'm saying "no. IF it's happening, it's a one off"

I say "gun owners will use any excuse to kill another human being" and you're saying "no, IF, it's happening, it's a one off"

At some point they have to be accountable for their choices like everyone else. Plenty of people are born into poverty, but still make an effort in school and don't turn to crime.

Ok. That's not what has been coming across.

Many, many people do not think reparations should be paid from taxpayer money.

That's completely different than saying teachers are making white children feel guilty about slavery.

That's the disconnect. I am not saying ALL teachers.

No, I'm saying you must wait until they attempt their crime before you take action against them.

You should have been on Charles Mansons' legal team then.

What about the people who commit crimes and are not held accountable? Cuz fucking Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman are fucking murderers.

I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE TOLD TO "FEEL" ANY GODDAMN THING. FEELINGS ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE TOPIC.

Are you?

Just enough to punish all of them with draconian culture-war bullshit laws.
But authoritarianism is coming from the left! It is! It is!

Not taking that bait.

Look at that stoic Vulcan calm.

Just trying to find a common starting point.

What is happening that you think children in 2023 are being indoctrinated to believe white people in 2023 are guilty because of slavery between 1619 and 1865

Welcome to the concept of national debt.

You're still paying off debt previous generations accrued.

The UK didn't finish paying back the lend-lease debt for WW2 to the USA until 2006, when only a small percentage of the taxpaying population would have been alive at the time of the war.

But I'll bet you'd have been the first demanding we pay up if we'd tried to default.

What did the franchise in the UK look like back then?

Because just being alive doesn’t count. What percentage of the current population was responsible for voting in the governments that made those deals?

I wouldn't have lent it in the first place, and I would require the country to operate without running a deficit.

Unless you mean "I'd have given help willingly", and let's face it, you DON'T - that's you conceding the world to Nazi rule.

So that whole "they keep calling me a Nazi!" crying you do?

Yeah.

Also, "no apologies."

That's not the point. Someone, not you, did, in fact, lend money and now it is being repaid to you.

That's me leaving the world to solve its own fucking problems if that's the only alternative.

Not to me, and not due to any decisions I was a party to.