The god of Liberty is a hungry god. Child Sacrifice Uvalde edition. [UNLV Update]

If you're checking on convictions for violent crimes, you're admitting you had the fuckbag, guilty and in custody, and released him back into society. You don't get to do that and interfere in any way with my ability to defend myself.

Also, background checks lead to registration leads to confiscation.

Who said anything about convictions for violent crimes?

You're the one who suggested locking people with violent tendencies away as a solution for this issue, since most mass shootings don't involve people in that situation the background checks on everyone you propose will need to be much more exhaustive than just looking for past convictions

The Batman shooter, and the Vegas shooter would have passed a check.
Hell, if they posted here, UA probably would have agreed with them on some shit.

If you're proposing deprivation of rughts or property without a conviction, you might as well not waste your effort. There is no way I will ever support that.

PROVEN violent tendencies.

And yet some do have proven histories of violence, either due to untreated mental illness or society giving them a pass on their shitbaggery because they were under 18. Yes, it absolutely IS possible for a dumbass juvenile to make a bad choice that forfeits their entire free adulthood. I'm not offering to facilitate anyone hiding from that reality.

You'll never sell me on "pre-crime." Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and should be treated as such.

Not to derail the topic, but stupid teenage shenanigans should not forfeit the rest of a person's life.
A teenager who commits horrific, violent crimes is something completely different and yes, should be locked away. But, just stupid teen being stupid teens should not be a lifetime punishment.

Yet that's what your dumb world would need to work.

Murder, attempted murder, torturing animals, elder abuse? Nothing? I disagree. Some people are clearly broken and will never not be a threat. You don't get to demand society adjust around them.

I'm only talking about violence. But I include armed robbery in that.

Explain my dumb world and how it works.

1. Unlimited freedom, let God sort them out.
1.5. Except crazy people somehow.
2. Bitch when God sorts them out.
3. Bitch at anyone with solutions.
4. Bitch at anyone who points out the necessarily Orwellian ramifications needed to reconcile 1 with 1.5.
5. Bitch at anyone who has a non-Orwellian solution to 4 that isn't "shoot the bastards". See 3.
6. Bitch when "shoot the bastards" keeps causing the results in 2. See 2.

1. I'm very explicit about the limitations.
1a. I don't exempt crazy people. I would just warehouse them in a different facility.
2. I don't believe in god.
3. "Solutions" that don't fixate exclusively on the problem and cause other problems of their own, maybe.

Ok, blah blah blah make up ramifications and attribute them to me. Don't know why I expected better. You can't just confine yourself to what I actually say. You have to inject your own self-serving fiction. Just can't help yourself.

The recidivism rate for executed murderers is zero. I'll settle for life in prison if it actually MEANS "life". No parole, no bullshit about "rehabilitating" them. Permanent removal from society, or else you aren't serious about solving the problems they cause.

Not sure where I have bitched about someone shooting a bastard in legitimate self defense. Maybe you could point it out.

Imprisonment for murder has varying degrees of intent and therefore, should have varying degrees of punishment. I mean .., one could argue that killing an enemy in war is murder. But, is the guilt on the soldier or the nation's leader?

As far as self defense goes ... I'm absolutely certain Trayvon Martin felt he was acting in self defense. Kyle Rittenhouse absolutely should be in prison for murder.

Rehabilitation, not for murder, but other crimes such as theft, assault/battery, those sorts of criminals absolutely could be rehabilitated.

Noted.

Doesn't matter what he felt. He was free and clear, then backtracked to confront. That rules out self-defense.

Again, based on nothing more than the feelings of monday morning quarterbacks.

Whether they could be is irrelevant. If those crimes involved violence and/or firearms, you either remove them from society or admit you're not serious about eliminating gun violence.

Then why did Zimmerman track him down a dark alley?

I realize your reasons. Mine, however, are sound.

It depends on the violence. It depends on A LOT of things. Blanket statements do more harm than good.

You would have to ask him, but that alone is no excuse to attack him and call it "self-defense."

"Sound" rules out your feelings concerning anyone's perceived political affiliation. I saw the video. I say self-defense.

Unless it concerns Republicans or gun owners. Then it's just objectively correct.

Don’t put words in my mouth.

Rittenhouse could have put the rifle down and would not have been harmed.

Zimmerman tracked down Martin and put himself in a situation in which his only way out was to kill.

Fair enough, however can you see how your previous few posts in this thread on the subject read very differently to that?

You not only keep saying things that read entirely different to what you then argue is actually meant (fair enough, we can all be guilty of assuming our intent comes through in writing without having done so), but do so in a way that seems like you're trying to be intentionally misleading, because as already established your clarified explanation of the solution you propose wouldn't pick up most perpetrators of mass shootings anyway.

The 911 calls have been released.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/11/01/uvalde-911-dispatch-recordings

New audio of phone call shows for the first time that a senior Uvalde officer was told children needed to be rescued from inside a classroom

Every officer who responded to that call needs to fuck right the fuck off.

Pargas is a fucking coward who needs to rot in jail.

Uvalde shooting victims seek $27B, class action in lawsuit

They actually stopped this one, thanks to a tip from the ex-girlfriend, who a former Marine claimed he was going to come to her work at a mall and shoot everyone and then himself.

He certainly had the capability.

At his home, officers "located an AR-style rifle, a massive cache of armor-piercing bullets, high-capacity magazines, a grenade launcher and military-style flash bangs, distracts, smoke generators and other items," police added.

https://www.newsweek.com/man-plans-mass-shooting-arrested-after-ex-girlfriend-alerts-cops-1765270

School fails safety inspection.

https://theweek.com/texas/1019491/u...-inspection-just-7-months-after-mass-shooting

This is the best ‘B,b,b…but what about the darkies in Chicago’ take down I’ve ever seen.


https://twitter.com/rolandsmartin/status/1621562925776248835


Full show is worth a watch as well:

also: firearm mortality 2020

texas 4164
california 3449
Florida 3041
georgia 1897
ohio 1764
pennsylvania 1752
illinois 1745


so not sure what sort of cherry picking he's imagining is going on?

of course, now he's gonna demand to know how man were suicides or unintentional because hair splitting is so much more honest...

It’s like when confronted with the fact that 90% of mass shooters are white men, Paladin replied that this made sense as whites are a majority in America. When it was pointed out that 90% of the population isn’t white males, so whites are punching considerably higher than their weight, he ignored this and blathered on about how if other groups were as large of a population as whites in the USA are, they’d have the same number of shooters.

The cops claim that they were scared of dude’s gun.

https://twitter.com/zachdespart/status/1637783734769315842?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

The cognitive dissonance required by gun fanatics to claim that an AR-15 is not an assault rifle or a military weapon and thus nothing to be afraid of, and yet to support these cops when they frantically discussed the dude having an AR-15 and how it made them wait for SWAT, even though the regular cops also had AR-15s...

...would be surprising, if gun fanatics actually had cognitive processes.

Name me one standing military that equips the AR15. It may exist, but I've never heard of it.