The joys of government + health care.

Or nothing. You require threats to shout down your collectivist disease?

we do.
we take all that money we'd pay for bean counters at [-]investment[/-] insurance companies and have it administered by the civil service.
saves nearly 50% and every citizen is covered.
now, if you happen to be a fan of parasitic middlemen...

I am neither.

I require you to convince people by means other than demanding what you want like a spoilt child, over and over and over.

i was actually responding to post 29... there was no response to "requiring threats" intended.

that said, if you eliminate the parasitic private delivery system America currently has, what do you replace it with?
the rest of the developed world seems to have long decided that health service administration is a valid use of government. dollar for dollar, they get better value and healthier populations.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

Just another putz deciding to cherry-pick his outrage of the day.

Please, move along...

Haven't I seen you rail against immigration because it places burden on services? I can easily imagine another thread in which you'd spin this a a good thing.

Because when I think of something being run smoothly and efficiently, I think of the Federal Goverment!

You don't get to require consent until I'm allowed to opt out of every parasitic redistributionist scheme ever conceived.

I would eliminate the barriers to shopping interstate for private insurance and international sales of prescription drugs, as well as limiting malpractice awards and arm-twisting the FDA to function as something more than a choke point to secure the profits of big pharma. In general, I would remove any possible cost-increasing government meddling, rather than fixing a problem of government with more fucking government.

Do not give a rat's ass.

So deny him the services. Do not forcibly violate my privacy and then use the knowledge you obtain to erode my freedom.

How is this impacting your privacy at all, when it is dealing with a residency application for somebody else?

Because it is making use of someone's private medical records. This was not a "no fatties" sign at the fucking border.

Again, how does this immigration policy affect you, a legal resident?

Government health care gives "the people" financial incentive to FUCK with your personal freedoms. All available information suggests that this guy was otherwise a productive, law-abiding immigrant, not some leech hopping a border to get free dental care for his 15 kids.

If your solution is to deny immigrants access to public programs, great. But you're an idiot if you think immigrants are the only ones vulnerable for something like this.

So if you're not morbidly obese and living in New Zealand, you have nothing to worry about.

I haven't suggested this particular solution, no. But let me ask you this: can a country justifiably deny immigration status to a foreign national? This is a yes or no, please respond with Ken of those words. Then I'll have some follow-up questions for you.

Right out of the statist authoritarian playbook.

Yes or no hardly covers the the implications of that question. You expect me to indulge some tunnel-vision, by-the-numbers lawyerballing where you stack the questions and limit my options to some response you already have prepared.


Yes, a country can deny immigration status for any reason.

Does that make it right to force someone into a national health care program as a prerequisite of entry, let them live in your country and pay taxes for years, then exploit private information obtained through that mandatory program to suddenly revoke freedoms previously extended? No, it fucking does not.

Well it is the government has the right to set the standards of immigration. Sounds like he got screwed.

I do think the justification for it is weak however and would like to see what the government is doing to citizens who are fatties and sucking up all those healthcare resources.

And it would not surprise me if something else is going on here....

Since you answered yes to my question, your follow-up is illogical. If a country can legitimately place conditions on immigration, it can legitimately place conditions on immigration. None of this affects you, as a non-immigrant, or anybody else.

Right. Nobody is seeking to put government bureaucracy in charge of my health care. No possible implications at all to this beyond immigration. No reason to think beyond the immediate.

None of this has anything to do with immigration policy. You are essentially saying that outcome of policy A invalidates unrelated policy B. There is a logical disconnect in your thought process.

"Captain X fucking agrees!!!!1111oneoneoenone "

"You keep using that word..."

As the principal proponent of "Everyone Else on the Planet Should Mind Their Own Fucking Business," your desperate need to search for reasons to be offended by something transpiring halfway around the globe that has absolutely no impact on you or the country you live in is beyond comical.

Leach and Gul apparently missed the pertinent details the first time around.

It has everything to do with both immigration policy and tax-funded health care, and has broader implications for anyone who cares to think about it.

So it lives outside the realm of possibility in any similar system until it actually happens, huh?

It's a government entity taking punitive measures based on medical concerns. It doesn't take much to connect the dots if your goal isn't "tap dance and annoy."

No, not really. The immigration policy is one that says no to somebody who will be a drain on social services. That it happens to be health care in this instance has nothing to do with whether New Zealand has a right to limit who can and can't immigrate.

Are they doing that with legal residents? If no, then the discussion remains one that is only about immigration policy.

Not necessarily. In fact, here's your opportunity to draw parallels between the ACA and the NZ system in order to prove your point.

Or just fall back on the Stupidforge "Nobody Knows What's in the Legislation" meme and then throw another fit.