The Omnibus P01135809 Criminal Investigation Thread

It's only been a few months since the Jan 6th Committee disbanded, and that collected a lot of the evidence used here.

Building airtight cases takes time.

Or they had to line it up just right to interfere with the election.

It'd be easier and safer to zap him before he gets so fuckin' close.


Jesus, it's like the "the election machines changed the votes! '" theory.
Why just Trump then? Everyone was on the same fucking ballots.
Let's get rid of fucking McConnell too then!
No? Just Trump? Why?
Fuckin' why?

That is the performance I am talking about. All of that was nice and great to campaign and fundraise on, but in the end meant nothing because a real investigation would have been quicker and more to the point. I really do not think that committee was the only way some of this evidence would have been found.

In the last two and a half years nobody has been able to come with an answer for that.

I normally would say pointless conspiracy theory, but this seems to be exactly why it happened that way.

They corresponded it to happen before the 2020 election to make it seem like congress had done something. It distracted from things like abandoning a federal minimum wage hike, why biden would do nothing to improve healthcare, the border problems, and other issues. It was a whole lot of nothing but finger wagging. An investigation would have yielded similar results and been done a year earlier because we would not have spun our wheels for somew congressional gotchas that never materialized in dem house gains.

Worse yet, now it looks like the trials might not conclude before the election. At least if he was guilty and then tried to pardon himself it would look worse, but if he wins he is going to try and end the trial which he will spin into him being found not guilty. Had we not had the delay we might have a conviction on him which could mean he had to run his campaign from prison. But since Biden Bro dems are seeking every method to hand the ball back to him, while looking like they fought, they ran the clock out so Jack will probably not even be presenting a case until the december after next.

I am not getting what you are saying here? What are you saying became easier by holding off the charges for a year while congress performed on stage with no hope of charges because they cannot charge anyone? Why not hand it off to investigators in 2020 instead of fiddly fucking around with congress who no longer was needed to impeach and remove Orange bufoon from power?

Legal podcast recorded while the indictments were starting to be announced. Skip to about the 20-minute mark as there's a former prosecutor who worked with Smith for years, who gives her take on it. The interesting thing is that she starts talking about what she thinks Smith will do, shortly before the details come out about the indictments. She basically nails what Smith did, it's nearly to the point like where one character in a movie says, "Well, I think that so-and-so is going to do X, followed by Y, etc." and you see the character doing that. She also gives her reasons why she thinks the indictments were done this way and why folks like Rudy weren't also indicted at this time. (TL;DL: The goal is to have the case finished well before the election, and they're leaving the others to twist in the wind a bit before going after them.)

Not buying it. Enough evidence was developed by the second impeachment trial to convict him on some of these charges, and even if not, there was certainly enough to open up a DOJ investigation. There was no reason to wait for the J6 committee; a congressional committee does not have greater investigatory powers than the DOJ. Garland could have appointed a special prosecutor within a month of the impeachment trial, or done literally anything to start work on the Trump side of case. Instead they did a bottom-up investigation that was guaranteed, from sheer size, never to get to the top, and reporting has been that that directive was from Garland. He's meek. Maybe he thought SCOTUS would toss out any conviction he obtained due to conflict of interest (since Trump scuttled his SCOTUS appointment) but that's a reason to appoint a special counsel immediately. I'm definitely disappointed in Garland.

Now, it's possible they couldn't have brought indictments until they got the appeal overturning Judge Nichols's interpretation of the obstruction(?) statute anyway, just to make sure all the loopholes were closed, but even that was months ago.

I think the timing of this is political. Yes, they could have started all of this earlier. But the longer they took, the better their case would be, if they convicted before the public was ready for the conviction there would be huge amounts of political backlash, and yeah, I don't think anyone at the DNC is crying in their beer that it's going to go right into GOP primary season.

But that's mitigated by the fact that 1) he absolutely fucking did it and 2) being the good guy doesn't mean you have to be an idiot. It absolutely is better for justice, the country, and the Dems prospects to have done it this way.

I don’t think so, for the country. Justice should be as swift as possible. I can see a world where Jack Smith was appointed right after the J6 committee was formed, witnesses go from talking to Congress to talking to Smith or vice versa, and we had an indictment almost as soon as the committee wrapped. Instead Garland waited til the committee was nearly done before appointing Smith, who, by all accounts, went straight to work and got these indictments in ASAP, but that was after basically duplicating all of the committee's work. Have we learned anything new since then? Dominion, Ruby Freeman, et al. won their respective defamation suits, but that doesn't go against any defense for Trump. Meanwhile, look back at page 1 of this thread. Georgia started going after Trump in February 2021 for the Raffensperger call and fake electors scheme, and would have indicted months ago but for malfeasance on some fake electors' lawyers part.

The idea that these prosecutions are politically tilted against Trump is laughable.

Any other criminal as brazen as Trump would not have been treated with kid gloves every step of the way. And any other criminal would not get to have one of the cases against them be presided over by a judge they appointed themselves.

So Joe Biden has documents spread out across three different locations with one of them being the Chinese funded Penn Biden Center, some of them going as far back as when he was senator and then when the press finds out about it he’s not charged with shit, that’s not being treated with kid gloves?

Nobody should respond to Federal Farmer’s DD&B. Don’t take the bait.

I didn't think it was possible to be more of a disingenuous dumbass than Dayton, but FF proves it regularly.

At least to present as this dense he must be doing it intentionally, which means we can also know that when he's posting his racist lying shit elsewhere he's probably also doing so intentionally rather than carelessly.

What a fuckwit.

I thought about calling him a halfwit, but that's overestimating the situation by a great deal.

Every comment I've heard on that is that Smith calculates that multiple defendants indicted together creates the opportunity for excessive delay and he wants this one to move as fast as possible to try and get it to conviction (at least the initial one) before the election.

His last comment about how their work continues seems to suggest that he'll get around to the rest of them at some point once doing so doesn't bog down this one.

Pence is saying right out in public on camera that Trump was surrounded by crackpots who told him what he wanted to hear. If he testifies, which seems inevitable, and makes the distinction between the crackpots alluded to in the indictment and actual credible lawyers, that will be pretty big.

I agree that on pure politics, a timing that has him crush all the other posers (at least in terms of momentum) so that he's certain to be nominated (and probably with major drama at the convention) is good.

But it's also good to have a conviction before November. Smith was appointed a full month before the J6 committee published it's final report but it still feels like Garland lagged on that some - OTOH we can't know if he could have accomplished too much while they were still doing their investigation.

The Pyramid scam trial is at the end of January, the Florida trial is at least on calendar for May. Seems to me the ideal slot for this one is March/April, and then Gorgia maybe late summer depending on appeals. (and that's not counting the next Stormy trial and Tish James' case against the whole Trump Org)

Well. According to you, charging him would be interfering with an election.

He could preemptively pardon on federal charges but not state, as you said.

The crisis, I think, is that he'd appoint Jeff Clark as (acting?) AG who would then invoke the "can't prosecute a sitting president" to toss the whole thing out anyway BUT I'm not sure that DoJ policy would apply to the states - so what happens if Willis says "fuck you, we're doing this" and defies anything DoJ says.

As I've been saying for many years now, what we all really need is a massive stroke that takes his ability to communicate at all...and incapable of golf...and then he lives 20 more years.

You've been listening to (reading?) Sarah Kendzior.

If you hadn't, you should. Garland is the epitome of a genuine "swamp creature"

Of course he was a swamp creature. He was what Obama floated to try and get an appointment when the repugs were saying no way. Then Biden wanted a guy who wasn't going to make the repugs mad because he did not want to hurt the corporations.

I am not saying Garland is actually doing anything Biden doesn't want. This was the plan all along. There is no screw up, this was intentional. I even think Joe was stupid enough to think he would get some slack from the right for being so lax and pushing this lame duck fuck. Appointing a hard ass go getter like Dorsey was the perfect cover for fumbling the ball. Now the biden bros like @Shirogayne and @Tuckerfan think he did something. Dorsey would have to push this through so hard he would leave room for appeal to get it by the next election.

They wanted Trump to run all along because that is how they won last time. They think the threat of trump will force everyone to vote for scumbag Biden again. Then we have another four years of OMG we have to give everything to the repugs or else they will shut down the government, or the other side of the coin is we get completely deregulated under a 2nd trump term where SS gets given to the private sector to completely destroy, education gets handed to the private sector to destroy, and they let all the insurrectionists out of jail to terrorize the country into forking over more rights and money for protection.

Happy 3rd arraignment day for all those who celebrate!

What’s wrong, don’t like the truth?

What racist lying shit would that be?

This has been discussed before, and I stand by my conclusion that most of the delays in actually charging Trump are due to cowardice. Especially from Garland. Garland would clearly rather avoid opening up the can of worms that comes with prosecuting a former president, just like Obama avoided opening up a can of worms when he refused to publicly announce that Trump was under investigation back in 2016. Conservatives might be the ones screaming "No new normal" the loudest, but there are too many Dems with the exact same attitude trying to pretend if they ignore what the Republicans are doing everything will go back to normal.

Part of it's understandable from the lower level people, since trying to hold Trump accountable for anything puts a huge target on your back, but it's inexcusable from Garland.