The Pile: A Piling List

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Bickendan, Apr 1, 2018.

  1. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Dayton just touched on what I was going to say - perhaps living in poverty you are often surrounded by people with poor impulse control and lack of positive role models and other factors that cause the crime/poverty cycle to repeat.
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    While I’m sure that may happen, the number of incidents would be statistically insignificant (laughably so) compared to car thefts that are motivated by money. Statistically insignificant even compared to vehicle theft for the purpose of joyriding.
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  3. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Give it up. You're grasping at straws.
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  4. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    That's right. The correlation between crime and poverty does not necessarily mean that one causes the other. There could be an underlying cause (or causes) for both.
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    This is true. At this point, the whole argument rests on how likely anyone thinks that a person who desperately needs money, and commits a crime to get money, might have been motivated by the former to do the latter. In the same sense, people who take the bus, and who desperately need to get to the place to which the bus is headed, might have just taken that bus by coincidence. Not once, but two thousand four hundred and fifty-one times, for each population slice of 100,000.

    We will never be able to tell.
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    R Kelly gets someone to bail him out again.

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  9. oldfella1962

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    And Jeffrey Jones.
    And Pee Wee Herman.
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  12. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    So is this one of your "I'm not saying all Asians are perverts, but..." riffs? :dayton:
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    Forgetting that the vast majority of poor people don't steal, so it would seem poverty only has that effect in a very small number of individuals.
  14. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    not at all. I've never even implied asians are perverts. I just thought a George Tekei meme would be funny in this case. Are you catching a case of the "tereruns" but with asians instead of blacks?
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    What's the ratio of crimes committed by poor people to wealthy people? And one would need to account for folks who commit a crime, but are able to get the case thrown out on a technicality. (Like OJ, for example.)
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    Depends on the crime, I suppose.

    But if wealthier people commit fewer crimes, does that mean poverty causes crime or that wealthier people have more to lose in committing it?
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    Good question. Ever read Predictably Irrational or Freakonomics? In one of them, they talk about how a researcher discovered that wealthier people were more inclined to petty theft than poor or middle class folks in certain situations.
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    That's a completely different question. What does it have to do with the argument?
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    Unfortunately, the statute of limitations ran out on his cases, so that fucker will never get the justice he deserves :ua:

    It makes this scene so much more creepy in retrospect:
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    That scene is, and was, creepy even without Stephen Collins being a pervert.
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    Too old for him.
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    There's a lot of assumptions about crime and poverty, the main one being that the link is a direct correlation. That's actually quite a way from the truth, often the poorest communities are those with the least crime. Often the key factor isn't any absolute measure of status per se but the visible disparities between members of the community.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Not to mention commercial television with its promises of fame and riches (Publishers Clearing House for one needs to have a stake driven through its heart)...not to mention all that yummy fast food.
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    So he has sort of a quantum presence on the pile where he might be there a certain percentage of time.
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    Yeah.

    So it sounds like they want to finish up the seasons and than "move on" to other things without Tyson.
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