I'm well aware of Avi Loeb. He's not the be all end all and he can't explain UAP's that were seen prior to the SR-72 Blackbird that go back to the late 1940's, he can't explain the testimony from Ryan Graves that a guy on his team saw a black sphere inside of a translucent sphere. This object was observed visually. It was able to stay stationary against head winds. It can maintain this stationary position for several hours without refueling. It also can cruise at .8 mach. I'm pretty sure balloons can't do these type of things. Michael Shermer, you know, of skeptic magazine, got totally eviscerated on this subject. I know you people hate Joe Rogan, but if you're truly interested in this topic and don't want to just mock people then I highly suggest you listen to Ryan Graves' story about the objects his team saw. Ryan Graves Michael Shermer
Never said he was. Oh, yes he can. He just doesn't want to. The two simplest explanations are: Misidentification of something or people are lying. Remember, you're talking to a guy who's actually seen UAPs/UFOs. Watched them do things that no human pilot would or could do. Alien spacecraft? Almost certainly not. At the time I saw them, I wasn't all that far (as the crow flies) from Wright-Patterson Air Force base, which at the time was being used as a USAF research center. Almost certainly what I saw were drones being tested by the Air Force. (It should be noted that the US military was using drone aircraft during the closing days of WWII for various purposes. Indeed, one of them dropped a nuke at the Bikini Atoll tests shortly after the end of the war.) Yeah, so all we have is dude's word. Going to need more than that if you want me to believe that it was aliens. Shermer's a rapist, so fuck him. I don't hate Rogan. To hate him would mean that I actually had to give a shit about him. I don't. He's as credible on anything as Amaris was on what is happening in Ukraine: ie Not at all.
“Gonna need more than that if you want me to believe it’s aliens” Tuckerfan IHere’s an article that cites a NYT article where they talk about crash retrieval. More at the link. https://medium.com/@richgel99/the-crash-retrieval-back-engineering-program-b2ec423494e9 So the major superpowers have had crash retrieval programs. The UFOs that crashed did have occupants. The reverse engineering program supposedly ended in 1989. I wonder what happened in the UFO community in 1989? That’s right Bob Lazar happened and Bob Lazar said the same thing.
The Government in the 1980s: “Area 51 doesn’t exist.” Bob Lazar 1989: “ I actually worked at Area 51 I saw what looked like alien craft.” The government: “Bob Lazar never worked at Area 51” The government in the late 90s/early 2000s: “Area 51 actually does exist.” Bob Lazar 2021: “Yeah, I still maintain that I worked at Area 51.” The government: “Well he worked there, but he just scanned people for radiation.” Okay, sure. More to come.
The original NYT article is paywalled, so I have no idea of who the "us" is, nor what, if any, vetting was done of the people claiming to have security clearance. Is the "us" a NYT reporter? Was it the guy who wrote the article for Medium (which, like Twitter, is a site where anyone can post shit to if they sign up)? Did he share the information with the NYT reporter about who the individuals were so that they could vet them? That's the minimum we would need to know to have an idea if what he's claiming was remotely credible. Do you have that? And we've been over and over the fact that Lazar isn't remotely credible. Not to mention that nobody's come forth with physical evidence. Not a body, not a piece of tech that is something we can't replicate, or an official government doc saying that we had aliens. Christ, dude, you're as bad as Marso and the claims that Obama was born in Kenya.
What a sad little man you are. Do you think that someone who, say, scrubbed toilets at Area 51 in the 80s, would have the government confirming that they worked at Area 51, prior to when the government admitted what Area 51 was? Oh, and fun fact, if you dig into the actual history of Area 51, you quickly find out that it wasn't nearly as secret as the conspiracy theorists would have you believe. See, officially (as in public government documents and even signs around the facility), Area 51 was called "Groom Lake," and was designated a classified research facility (it's where the SR-71 and F-117 were developed and tested), with very little else being said publicly. Internally, however, it was mostly referred to as Area 51. This was done to throw people off the trail of what was being done where. (The idea being that people, be they enemy agents or others, who knew about one name, wouldn't realize that the documents using the other name were talking about the same place.) Do you know why the government finally decided to admit that Area 51 and Groom Lake were the same place? Because of lawsuits from people who worked at the facility. See, Area 51 is a very closed facility. So much so that even the trash isn't hauled off from the place but is burned in pits on site. In the late 80s/early 90s, there were a bunch of people who worked there suing the Federal government, demanding that the government pay for their medical bills because they all had these rare kinds of cancers. They claimed that they'd gotten cancer because they handled the burn pits at Area 51 and had burned things like the remains of classified aircraft (such as the F-117) that had crashed. The government fought them tooth and nail on the very idea that the place existed, let alone that the government should have to pay for their medical treatment until someone found a film by a government contractor that had an employee talking about Groom Lake and admitting that it was Area 51. At that point, the government copped to Area 51 and the F-117 being real. Okay, for the sake of argument, let's say that in reality, those folks got cancer not because they were burning shit from things like crashed F-117s, but it was, somehow, related to work with alien tech. Maybe they were burning botched attempts to duplicate the tech, or maybe they were burning crashed alien spaceships to hide evidence of them. I want you to think about who is President right now. I also want you to think about his other son, who hasn't made the news since 2015. When he died of cancer. Cancer that his father, the current goddamn President of the United States of America, believes was caused by Beau being near burn pits in Iraq. Now, unlike say, a military grunt, or a janitor at Area 51, Beau was a JAG officer who was unlikely to actually have to throw shit in a burn pit or even watch the thing too closely. Sure, there might have been times when he needed to torch some computer equipment because it had stuff the government didn't want to be released, but how often would that have been? Probably not nearly as often as folks who had the sole assignment of running burn pits, who'd be fucking grunts or janitors. Beau, it should be noted, spent less than a year in Iraq. Hmm. That's interesting, isn't it? The burn pit folks from Area 51 who got cancer had all spent years working there, and could reasonably be expected to have hire exposure levels to noxious stuff from burn pits (be it alien tech or otherwise), than a fucking lawyer would. Yet is anyone using that as a leverage point to get Joe to reveal aliens? Is anyone saying, "Joe, the government's suppression of alien tech is what directly led to the death of your son. What are you doing to ensure that no one else has to go through what you and your son had to endure? Didn't you love Beau, Joe?"? If they are, why aren't you talking about it? Why haven't you brought that up before now? Why aren't you sending emails to the White House asking them about this? Create a website or FB page about this topic and I can promise you that I'll make sure that some of the biggest names in skeptic podcasting are aware of it. I'll even run the text by you of what I'll post about it in the private group we're all in before I post it, followed by screenshots showing that I actually did post it that way, so you agree that I'm being fair and not trying to prejudice them into thinking that you're some kind of crank. What say you?
'Us' in this context is two UFO investigators who formerly worked for the New York Times and are still associated with them as contractors. There's no indication of who the sources are. They claim they have declassified briefings from the Pentagon which acknowledges the possibility of 'off-world' technologies and retrievals. And that the briefing acknowledges US security interests in potential breakthrough technologies from off-world retrievals and how they are competing with foreign nations for these technologies. And a source that says that this means explicitly not built terrestrially in a foreign competitor nation like Russia or China. Is any of this true? No idea, and there's no public acknowledgment of who the source is or where you can find the 'declassified briefings' if they are indeed now public. The one bit of verifiable data is there is stuff out there that US pilots say they can't identify with flight characteristics they find unusual. Is it another counterintelligence op to hide US capabilities? Considering we know for sure that has occurred in the past it definitely seems like the most likely option.
Continued. .. “There’s no proof of Bob Lazar’s claims.” Bob Lazar claimed he worked for the Department of Naval Intelligence. The proof. https://medium.com/@richgel99/natio...rds-validate-bob-lazars-employer-7874a5acf0beNow I realize that the Department of Naval Intelligence was what Jack Ryan “worked for” in The Hunt For Red October and that Jack was actually working for the CIA, but that’s a movie. To be continued…
Did you even fucking read the W-2 that was posted? It lists his gross wages for 1989 as $958.11. How long did Lazar work at Area 51? His Wiki entry says that in 1982 he claimed to a reporter that he worked at Area 51 on alien tech. So, we have a guy who worked at Area 51 from 1982 to 1989. That W-2 would have his total earnings for the year, and would have been printed in 1990. In May of 1989, Lazar, going by the name of "Dennis" appeared on a TV program, with his face hidden, claiming that he worked at Area 51 on alien tech. So, we can infer that it's possible he was still working at Area 51 then. By November of that year, however, he was publicly making those claims, so it seems unlikely that he was still working there then. This gives us a 10-month window for working at Area 51 in 1989. (BTW, 958.11 works out to about $2K in 2022 dollars.) Given that @shootER has some experience with TV production, and it was a local TV station program that Lazar appeared on in May of '89, he can give us an idea of what the development time for the program would have been. It's a pretty case where someone calls up a TV station and manages to get coverage from them on the same day. And, of course, just because they shoot a program on one day doesn't mean that it won't sit on the shelf for months or years before it ever airs. I will note, however, that in 1989 the minimum wage was $3.35/hr. Work 40 hours in a week, and you'd get a whopping $134. Divide $958 by $134 and you get just over 7 weeks. So, that'd be the end of February or so. Hmm... Supposedly, noted UFOlogist Stanton Friedman thought that Lazar was full of shit. Friedman, BTW, was a firm believer in Majestic 12. In 1990, Lazar was busted for being a pimp. Hmm... Why bust him for that and let him plead guilty to the lesser charge of felony pandering so that all he gets is community service if you want to keep him quiet? After all, Nevada had harsh pot laws in the 90s, and him being caught with a small amount of it would have been enough to get him locked up for years. Why not plant some weed on him and get him sent away for a long time if you want to keep him quiet? Alternatively, he could have died while resisting arrest when being stopped for something like a broken tail light. Surely that'd be the better way to keep him quiet if you didn't want him talking and didn't want too many other people doing the same thing that he did. In fact, there's so many ways that the government could have killed off Lazar that never would have raised an eyebrow, you have to wonder if he was spilling secrets that the government wanted to conceal why he's still allowed to live. Be awful easy to do that, so if you're letting him live that makes two possibilities: 1.) You want saying that shit because you're laying the groundwork for revealing aliens. 2.) You're letting him talk because the bullshit that he's spewing distracts people from what's really going on. Which do you think it might be?
I mean we've seen this movie before with Project Blue Book where they saidmost of the objects had a mundane explanation, but not all of them. Remember folks, they didn't find anything. Except they did. They found unknown objects that they deemed were saw by credible witnesses. Here they are. David Fraivor said the object he saw looked like a T shaped object. This object being described here looks like a what? You guessed it, a T. Next up. This object being described looks like a Tic-Tac. Isn't that weird? This next one kind of looks like Chuck Yeagar's plane. This one looks like a saucer shape, but the Air Force said they didn't find any saucer like objects so that can't be true because the government never lies to it's own people. Hey look at that, another saucer like object,huh. Another saucer like object, weird. Holy crap, another saucer looking object! They just keep on not finding anything. A football shaped object. All of that "airborne trash". This is what they do, it's what they always do. They're full of shit. If you click the link, you can see the drawings for yourself. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iXMMUjFcc1UMfI3L_j3QM9w_VjmMIfeb/view
"Unknown" does not automatically mean alien spacecraft. It just means that they don't know what it is. It could, quite literally, be fucking almost anything. From a turd tossed out of a plane to a Vogon constructor fleet. But what are the odds that it's a Vogon constructor fleet? Well, given that people see flying turds all the time, and that no one outside of folks who've watched a TV show or movie based on HHGTTG have ever seen a Vogon constructor fleet, odds are it's a flying turd. You, of course, are 100% certain that the government is lying to you when they tell you that it's a turd and you should duck. Dude, even if you're right, you suck so hard at trying to present your case that you'll only convince someone with the same level of brain damage as Herschel Walker. You've presented a W-2 (that may or may not be real, you could fake that with MS Publisher in 1990 with no problems) that says for the entire year Bob Lazar made less than $1K from the Federal government. How is that possible if he was a credentialed academic working for a sooper secret government program for more than a week or so in 1989? Where's the advanced alien tech that he's produced? I'm sure that you and I both laugh at the folks who think that the Apollo moon landings were hoaxes. You know what those guys never do? They never try to get an undercover job at NASA to try and expose the hoax. Never. It's not like you'd need terribly advanced degrees to do that, either. NASA's got janitors at all their facilities, and the janitors have access to all kinds of stuff when folks aren't around, they can also get to know folks who work there and find out things from them. There's, apparently, oodles of places at NASA facilities (or former ones) where nobody goes, and almost 20 years ago a couple of guys stumbled into one of those rooms and found stuff from a 1964 program people had forgotten about.. If someone thinks that the Apollo landings were a hoax, then instead of starting a YouTube channel or a podcast about it, get a job as a janitor at a NASA facility and poke around when nobody's looking. You'll either be able to find the evidence yourself or find someone who can provide it to you. But they don't do that. Why? Because it's easier to start a YouTube channel or podcast and get donations from saps than it is to get a job at NASA as a janitor and go looking for proof. The same thing is true of alien technology held by the government. If you're serious about proving that they're hiding it, then go get a job working for NASA as some other agency and find the "truth." They don't do that. Shit, they can't even get somebody with lots of money to fund them to develop the tech that they've supposedly seen. Ever heard of Bigelow Aerospace? They're owned by a billionaire who is working on putting a hotel in orbit. He also believes that the government is hiding details about aliens. Why ain't Lazar working for him? Again, I will point you to Unconventional Flying Objects by Paul R. Hill who was an engineer at NASA, saw UFOs, and was given permission by NASA to use their gear to try and reverse engineer things described in by people who saw UFOs. See, one of the hardest things to do is to figure out if something is possible, or even to conceive of the idea. For example, the Greeks had the necessary technical ability to build a telegraph. They knew about magnets and knew how to make wire (which is really about all you need to build a rudimentary telegraph), but the idea never occurred to them. If Archimedes had found himself in a 19th Century telegraph office, been given a brief explanation of what the telegraph did, and then was transported back to his own time, he could have whipped up one himself with the stuff he had laying around. So Hill started trying to replicate the things that he and others saw. He was doing that on a shoestring budget with stuff that his lab had on hand. Why won't Bigelow give Lazar money to build shit? Hell, why doesn't he contact the people who knew astronaut Gordon Cooper, who claimed to be in touch with aliens and got tech details from them? We executed the Rosenbergs for giving nuclear secrets to the Soviets, and once communism fell we discovered that the Soviets didn't really need the stuff the Rosenbergs gave them to develop their own bomb. All it did was just enable them to build one in slightly less time. We don't need proof of how alien spacecrafts work, to try and duplicate them. We just need proof that they're real, and judging by the fact that Bigelow Aerospace is going to be putting stuff in orbit using companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin, it's safe to say that he doesn't think that there's enough proof to begin working on duplicating alien tech. Finally, I'll leave you with this podcast episode where the hosts interview a reporter who's been covering UFOs for 50 years. He's not convinced that the sightings are all swamp gas, either.
This video is a nice, unintentional, demonstration of how video can make things look vastly different than they actually are. It's just over 4 minutes long, and at about the 2:20 mark, you can see things start to go swirly because the combination of how digital video and our brains work, make you see the part doing things that it isn't.
That is Saagar Enjeti, he’s a journalist who’s been following this story since the Times broke it. Why should you care? I don’t know, to become more informed on the subject since you clearly seem to be behind the times (literally) on this one.
Journalist for whom? The Weekly World News? And you’ve presented no reason to pay more attention to the subject since you’re just recycling the same stuff that was debunked years ago.
You want a clear picture. Here you go, what the hell is this? https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...ject-spotted-aboard-us-aircraft-carrier-video
From your link Also, from your link Okay, so this image is supposedly from a United States Air Force plane flying past a US Navy aircraft carrier in 2018 (or, at least 2018 is the date on the news article you've linked to). It is said to have been taken in the Mediterranean Sea. Now, regardless of the fact that the triangular plane looks like a shitty photoshop job to me, we can, quite clearly, see the number of the aircraft carrier in the pic. It's the Gerald Ford. You know, the carrier you can't shit on. From the Wiki article, it doesn't look like she's ever been too far from home, but @Shirogayne certainly knows how one can find out for sure. So, you know, pretty unlikely that it's an alien ship. Also, your link is connected to the Iranian government and references (but doesn't link to) a UK tabloid that is best known in the US for wondering if a head of lettuce could outlast a British PM. *Spoiler alert* the lettuce won. In short, if I had posted the same kind of evidence saying that Biden had prevented the US from being taken over by zombie Nazis, you'd happily call me a twat waffle. But because you think that aliens are here, and are not doing a goddamned thing to prevent the COVID pandemic and what you're almost certain will result in a nuclear war with Russia because of Ukraine, you swallow that even more deeply than you do Joe Rogan's cock.
You keep bringing up the pandemic and I don’t know why. If aliens really are here, why do you assume that they would intervene in anything with regards to us? You sure do like to make a lot of assumptions.
We've been over this so many times that I can only conclude that, like Dayton, you have some kind of weird humiliation fetish, because you're the one who originally made the claim that aliens are helping us. Your argument has been that aliens, either from the Pleiades (some 380 lightyears away) and/or Zeta Reticuli (some 39 lightyears away), got interested in us and started showing here to help us in 1947 in the wake of the US using nukes (in 1945). So, WTF have they done? You don't know, but you know that they've done "something." Sorta like the God who can help Karen find her car keys, but not being able to do shit during the Holocaust. Because "reasons."
