Aliens are real and I have 100% undeniable proof!!!! Yesterday, I was taking some pictures of my house. My room mate publicly complained about the city code enforcement office, so now they're sending citations for the roof every few days instead of, you know, any of the numerous things actually wrong with the house, because apparently they like being the target of first amendment retaliation lawsuits. Anyway, the lawyer needed pictures, and my room mate didn't feel like taking them, so somehow this is now my problem. So, I was taking pictures, and a whole fleet of alien spacecraft flew over my house! Suck it, all you "it was just swamp gas photoshopped over a weather balloon" people!
I'm thinking the males had to work extra to slip into "part" of their human looking skin. I'm guessing it's like trying to put on an extra thick condom when you're limp. Maybe they used a pull string or something.
Happy fifth anniversary to this story and this thread. Deceptive headline, as usual. Gotta love their efforts to minimize this by dropping the story on a Friday. There's no evidence against alien life either. I see they changed their definition to now include submerged and trans-medium objects. Here are some tidbits from the press round table that I thought were interesting. They're now admitting there's hundreds of these things. The reporter goes on to ask about drones. They are making efforts to weed out drones or known military craft. Then we get some further information about trans-medium objects that have been seen, and I quote, "has happened for decades, right?" They go on to say that these objects have been seen near military installments and they are concerned about them being a potential threat. I seem to remember someone in this thread saying the same thing. Oh right, it was me. The reporter goes on to ask about past events going as far back as the past 75 years. They will be looking into compartmentalized programs that they might not even know about. If they actually do this, then that has a potential to be a big deal because compartmentalization is one of the biggest components of UFO research and has been in question for a long time. Are they a threat to national security? Yes One reporter asks if they've seen technology they can't explain. They give a typical military wishy washy answer. Make of it what you will. Now we get to the question of aliens. This is what they said, "In terms of holdings that I have seen and holdings, that that we have gone through -- and we are being very thorough about this, and we are going back and trying to understand all the compartmented programs that this department has had, understand all the relationships that we may have had with any other organizations and all the predecessor organizations that were established before we were officially a Department of Defense. We've looked at all that; I have not seen anything in those holdings to date that would suggest that there has been an alien visitation, an alien crash, or anything like that." So the operative word there is they haven't specifically seen anything that indicates alien life. That isn't to say that there is no evidence what so ever, just nothing they've seen so far. Here's the full answer full of gobbily gook. The full transcript can be found here. https://www.defense.gov/News/Transc...irkpatrick-media-roundtable-on-the-all-domai/
Pentagon releases its long-awaited 2022 UFO report It boils down to "People see shit in the sky, we don't know what it is. Could be anything from optical illusions to actual objects, so we need to pay attention to them in case they turn out to be dangerous."
Addendum: LOTS of them are being seen near nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons sites. So the Pentagon is taking them very, very seriously. They just have nothing to identify them as other than terrestrial to this point. Though I guess that begs the question what that evidence would look like, unless you can track something coming in from outer space.
Nah. The simple fact is, if you have technology powerful enough to travel from one solar system to another, you have the tech to prevent us from simply knowing that you exist. Period. Paragraph. Think about it. We can barely get humans off this rock, and we already have the tech to make it difficult for people to spot aircraft and other things we want to hide. Compare us to a Stone Age hunter who is smart enough to hide in the bushes to hunt his prey. Game might not be able to spot him, but we sure as fuck can, thanks to things like infrared, and we can detect him from miles away, so even if our gear isn't camouflaged, he still can't see us. Now, imagine the kind of technological advancements that are involved in getting a society to the point where it can travel from one solar system to another. They had the capability to observe us long before they ever showed up in our neighborhood. They have an idea of how technological advancement works, so even if they don't know what's happening on Earth between the time they leave their homeworld and travel here, they have an idea of what to expect from our society when they arrive.So, they might not know that we developed nukes before we developed smartphones, but they know we're not going to go from throwing pointed sticks to warp drive in a decade or so. So, if we're seeing a UFO, it's almost certainly not an alien spacecraft, or if it is, then you have to ask why are they showing themselves around a nuke plant, rather than landing on the White House lawn. They don't need to get close to study such things. We can do it now with satellites that we have in orbit. (Knew a guy who used to make the parts used in such things.) The odds of aliens flying around our nuke plants and us seeing them are so vanishingly small as to be not worth considering.
The Second Alien Probe We Detect May Be Particularly Bizarre, Scientist Says The idea has been discussed for decades in SF, so I'm not sure why scientists are just now figuring this out.
You sure do like making a lot of assumptions in this post. You assume they come from another solar system. Some people think that they've been here for a long time, some think they are able to slip in and out of dimensions. There are other possibilities as well. You also assume that they don't want to be seen. It could be that they don't care if they are seen or not. You also assume that they studying our nuclear facilities. People have reported that they are able to shut down our missiles. You also assume that they would land on the White House lawn. This has been a cliche for some time now. This would be the equivalent of a entomologist who wants to visit an ant colony and ask to speak to the queen. It's unlikely. As for being able to track them, that's how this whole thing started, because our instruments have gotten better. If you watch the Ryan Graves interview, which you won't because you're not really interested in this topic other than mockery, he talks about our instruments improving to the point where we could track these objects quite efficiently. Then they saw one visually. So we know how to track them now and we know which instruments to use in order to track them. Civilian investigators also know this as well and are doing some serious investigations with professional equipment.
Really? Who's making the bigger assumption here? The guy thinks that people are mistaken in what they think they saw? Or the guy who thinks space aliens are in contact with our government? The first is provable beyond a doubt that people often are mistaken in what they think they saw. You got any proof that aliens are here? No? Seems to me you're the one making the big assumptions here. Nope. I don't see any reason to believe that they exist at all. And some people think that you should eat cows because they're gods. Doesn't mean it's true. Just because you think something, doesn't mean it's real. And some people think that the stripper is in love with them, doesn't make it true. And the most likely one is that it's all bullshit. Yeah, that's generally the way that you ensure you don't impact a culture. And if they do want to be seen (assuming that they are real, which they're not), the only thing that they're accomplishing is enabling grifters like Lazar to profit off of loons like you. This is predicated on them being real. No, I'm only going by what believers such as yourself say. You say that alien spacecraft have been spotted near nuclear facilities and have been studying them. I don't claim that at all. People have reported having conversations with JFK, Jr recently. Doesn't mean that they're telling the truth. Christ, some historian you are. Look at the history of human exploration. What happens when somebody "discovers" a new place? They go up, meet the locals, and seek out the leaders. If for no other reason than to ensure that they have permission to be there. If the newcomers don't try and contact the leaders, you can bet your ass that, the leaders will do everything that they can to contact the newcomers. Even if you want to argue that aliens would behave differently, we would not. And if the governments of the world seriously thought that there was anything to the UFO sitings that actually indicated that they weren't from here, you can bet your ass that they'd be doing more than just secretly trying to contact them. You simply do not understand technological development at all. The improvements to our technology, when compared to those of a species capable of either hopping dimensions or flying from another solar system, are akin to being able to see better because you put on a pair of sunglasses. Sure, it helps, but it is nothing when compared to say, a high-powered telescope.
Assuming UFOs are alien craft (since you are, for the sake of argument), you're also assuming they either want to hide, or want to make contact. Neither are a necessary assumption for UFOs to be alien spacecraft, AFAIK. Earth could be a nature preserve, where aliens are allowed to make their presence known but not mess anything up significantly, and/or we aren't considered intelligent so they don't make contact any more than -- *sigh* -- an entomologist visiting an anthill, or at best someone on safari visiting the lions. We don't drive up to the lions and ask them to take us to their pride's leader either, but we do drive up to lions, and they know about our existence as non-lions, even if they don't understand Jeeps with tourists are such, instead of big loud things full of eyes (camera lenses) and sometimes hairless ape faces appear. Even if some of their interests are malign towards us, secrecy is not a given; deer hunters wear orange vests. Or Earth might be the Walmart-right-outside-a-big-city of the galaxy; anyone coming from the big city is going for the people-watching so they can post the stupid shit we do on Galacati-gram, not to make contact or do scientific research. Or they could be trolling us, an alien version of teasing a lion with a steak from the safety of a Jeep while never in any danger. Or something totally incomprehensible to us. Point is, if you're going to assume, for the sake of argument, that UFOs are alien spacecraft, and you want to shoot that point down, you've got to show why "aliens want to either hide or make formal contact" is necessary to that hypothesis, and then you've got a lovely proof by contradiction from the lack of either one. Otherwise you don't get to pick "their" motives to the exclusion of all other possibilities, and that "they'd" necessarily behave a particular way based on them, and then use that to shoot down the arguendo'd point. I mean, don't get me wrong, most of FF's counterarguments are shittier than a steer on laxatives ("people have reported that they are able to shut down our missiles" ), but he's right that you can't assume a binary choice for hiding or first contact.
Actually, you can. Not because of what they would do, but because of what we do. We mimic things, have since we were primates. Any species monitoring this planet for even just the past 70 years or so, would have picked up on that. They also would know that we've figured out the scientific method, so unlike the Cargo Cults in the Pacific, if we see something, we're going to try to figure out how it works. They would also know that we're a violent species. We get a good idea of what's going on inside an alien spacecraft, and we're going to try and build one. Do you really want folks like us running around the galaxy? Probably not. If you let us get a look at you, we're going to try and duplicate your tech, so that means you will have to interfere in our society, sooner or later. Much easier to stay hidden, than have to worry about all of that. Because if you misjudge our ability to advance, and we get FTL while we still think nuclear weapons are a good idea, that's going to get messy. And imagine if you decided that you wouldn't hide, but you'd also block any attempts to duplicate your tech. Well, that raises the issue of if interfering is blocking the natural progression of our advancement. Can you be certain that the scientist who comes up with the theory that explains how your drive works wouldn't have come up with it were it not for UFOs? Perhaps it was something in a SF movie that gave him the idea. Additionally, each attempt to block our advancement risks being discovered. What then? I'm sure we'd consider it a hostile act and start pouring money into anything and everything. What would the aliens do? Would they have the resources to block all of the attempts? Easier just not to be seen. I'll point, again, to the book Unconventional Flying Objects by Paul Hill. Hill was a NASA scientist who saw a UFO and got permission in his off-hours to use NASA's gear to try and figure out how UFOs might work. The book is chock-full of photos, drawings, and mathematical formulas of his work. He didn't claim that he figured out how the things worked, but he did figure out some of the physics involved. Some of it is simple stuff, such as figuring out what kinds of g-forces occupants of UFOs would be subjected to in some of the maneuvers people have described. Other stuff is more complex, like the aerodynamic forces on different designs and the potential energies needed for things like forcefields. Additionally, he built mock-ups of various things to see if there was any logic to how they were supposed to have worked. Here's the blurb from the book That's one guy, in his off-hours, with no real budget. Now, imagine if we decided to go all "Manhattan Project" on it, not as a country, but as a species. You're going to need a fucking armada to deal with all the shit we'll be trying. Still think it makes sense for us to get a look at you? Even if you can bribe governments not to research the stuff, you can't bribe the billionaires. Bigelow Aerospace is ran by a billionaire who is convinced aliens coming to Earth are real, and aims to prove it. He's got contracts with NASA, SpaceX, and BlueOrigin (I think, two of those three, anyway) for inflatable space station modules. He might be crazy, but he's got a lot of money, and as we've seen, if you've got a lot of money, you can have your own space program.
6 million years of co-evolution with us and no other primates have control of fire. You could probably teach a chimp to fire a gun, but you can't teach it the chemistry of the gunpowder. Or imagine Francis Bacon trying to understand how to make a microprocessor, but you haven't taught him anything in between first. He will never get there; his knowledge has too big of a gap for even the finest scientific mind to bridge in a lifetime without help. Now imagine he's only seen a computer working for a few minutes or hours, how hopeless the task is, even if you pointed out the CPU to him. Maybe they don't care that much; maybe their nature preserve rules are a "best effort" sort of thing. Maybe contact with other planets is always messy and ad hoc. Or again we could be the setting for their "people of Walmart" on Galacti-gram. Maybe nukes are laughably obsolete in the galaxy, or their history shows that contact tends to cause violent intelligent species to wise up. Maybe they don't even die (say, via mind upload and cloning), and getting "killed" isn't even a minor inconvenience for them so they don't care about nukes. Or maybe they wipe out any violent uppity species: safari guides carry guns (or rather, they hire people to carry guns), and will shoot a lion if it's coming to eat you (if they have time-- lions are FAST when they want to be), but they otherwise leave them alone. Your conception of possible alien motivations is really quite human, and not even imaginative within the human realm. Also, when the question starts "would the aliens have the resources to..." the answer, since we're assuming the've crossed interstellar space, is "yes". Motivation is the question here, not ability, unless ability determines motivation, and nothing you've said so far has convinced me it does. From our point of view, sure. From theirs? Who knows. Maybe the aliens' PTB have bigger fish to fry than dumb tourists or hoodlums who won't follow the rules in a nature park, as long as they're not poaching or deliberately teaching the lions to use guns. And that's assuming we're even a nature park. We could be an anthill. Who managed to get as far as Francis Bacon describing the colors he saw on the monitor and determining that yes, they are real colors. Not actually useful beyond proving that what he saw was not completely implausible. And it was, most likely, strictly terrestrial in the first place, so of course he could figure that much out. Nah. That they crossed interstellar space to get here is the premise, and the harder that turns out to be, the easier they can deal with whatever we throw at them.
Wild chimps have near human understanding of fire, study says That study's from '09, and I believe that newer studies have confirmed that, but I might be mistaken. There are, however, considerable differences between humans and chimps. For one thing, chimps don't have the depth of cultural knowledge that humans have as chimps aren't literate. Additionally, we have computers to help us figure things out, chimps don't. However, I'm not saying that you're completely wrong in this. Let's consider possibilities of an alien saucer crashing at Rosewell, NM in 1947. I'll throw in one "complication" to make things simple. Suppose that we're wrong about how far electronics technology can advance, so the most anyone could develop is slightly more advanced than what we have now. Metallurgy, however, has continued to advance and the aliens, instead of using glass or plastic in their computer monitor displays use transparent aluminum. If we have a ship that crashed with a debris characteristic as is claimed by those who believe it wasn't an acoustic listening balloon. It's not intact, there's no power to any of the systems. Researchers are almost certainly not going to glom on to the idea that the monitors are monitors, but they'll notice the material isn't something they've ever seen before. Mass-spectrum analysis will tell them what it's made of, but not how it's made. So, even if you have the right elements in the right proportions, you may not get the characteristics you're looking for. You might not even get something that when it cools is even mixed together. Still, you've learned something. You know what elements go into making transparent aluminum, you know the amounts, but you don't know the process. Those are two really big hurdles to clear. You don't know how to clear that largest last hurdle, but you know it can be done. So you keep trying. No matter how many times you get it wrong. Because, unlike someone who's just dumping stuff in a vat and hoping that something useful will come out, you know that it can, once you get the process right. Remember the early days of the web? You know, when lots of people weren't certain what it would be good for, only that once people figured it out, a whole lot of them would get very, very rich. So, people poured (and still are) money into anything and everything related to the web in hopes that they might figure out how to make big cash. Some stuff showed up too early, and other stuff never should have seen a penny of investment, but it all got billions of dollars thrown at it, because if you didn't, the odds of you getting rich were pretty slim. What do you think would have happened in 2001, if someone were to show up at Apple with a 2022 model iPhone? Of course, a whole bunch of stuff on the iPhone wouldn't work because so many apps today rely on an internet connection, but the guys at Apple could figure out a whole bunch of things about the phone just by looking at it. Less so, than if the phone was powered on, but say it was, and the person who carried it wasn't a programmer-type but had a tad bit better knowledge of computer tech than the average person. The hardware guys will be spending their days studying it and trying to figure out how to duplicate it (or at least the paths needed to go down to be able to do so at some point). The software guys will be busy scrambling to try to figure out how to do all the stuff you've told them the phone can do. Imagine, in 2001, if someone told you not only the basics of a site like FB or Twitter, but that the companies were worth billions of dollars, and their CEOs were some of the wealthiest people on the planet. One of them even has his own car company and space program! Would you say, "That's nice" and forget about it? Or would you say, "Holy shit! We've got to start working on this shit now!" Giving a metallurgist a list of ingredients of a new metal, but not the process of how it's made is almost as good as having someone explain an iPhone to an Apple engineer in 2001. There's a whole lotta steps to figure out before you get there, but you know which path to go down. Now, I don't know if metallurgists in 1947 could have figured out how to make transparent aluminum from a sample, but I know that they'd try. Aluminum only came into large use in the late 19th Century, and even then, it was still pretty pricey. WWII changed all of that. Not only was it a lot cheaper to make, but there were a large number of people skilled in using it. A completely unimagined alloy of aluminum has been found? Folks will be throwing all kinds of money to figure out how to make it. It's possible that some of the things you learn along the way will pay off, so you don't have to wait until you crack the process to start making your money back, which is a nice plus. It seems likely to me that we'd recognize that some of the stuff involved with the saucer was so far beyond our tech that we couldn't figure it out until we advanced more, so we wouldn't rip it all to shreds the moment we got our mitts on it. So, on periodic re-examinations of the stuff, we'll have a better idea of what we're looking at. And I don't think that it's unreasonable to believe the government will heavily ramp up investments in those areas it thinks will enable us to figure out what everything is. As for the idea that we might never be capable of figuring it out, we have a solution for that: Computers. Feed everything we know into an advanced AI system and see what it tells us. Conversely, consider the idea that alien tech is akin to the reprogrammable matter on Disco. As long as there's power, the ship holds its shape. Cut the power? And it turns to dust. What's there to be recovered? Maybe some bodies and this weird dust. Probably won't be as exciting as a hunk of transparent aluminum, since you won't know if that's the ship or just something it left behind. Eventually, somebody, maybe, will figure out the deal with it, but that might only be after we'd already developed the technology. Also, ask yourself, "What are the odds an alien ship would crash, anyway?" Air travel is getting safer every day, and more automated every day. And I know that Elon can't but somebody one day will be able to figure out how to make a self-driving car. I figure that any alien species that can manage to navigate here, from wherever has probably gotten that whole "not crashing" thing sorted out by now and the odds of a ship crashing are like 1 in a yottabyte or so. How well do you think they could mathematically model our behavior? We can already do some broad projections on such things, so I'd imagine that they were so good they make Hari Seldon look like a kindergartener. You know we're getting rid of some animal testing because our computer modeling is so good that it's unnecessary. You think ET is going to be any different? So why come here? To compare us against your models to see if you've got it right? Could be. But I think that after they monitored a couple of planets, they'd have gotten past the need for that. Think maybe we're in the simulation and that's why they don't care if we see them because if we get too uppity they just pull the plug and do a fresh install? And I don't see us giving up being an aggressive species any time soon. Sure, nukes won't mean anything to them. After all, the low-end estimate of what it'd take to do warp drive is the mass of Jupiter. We're gonna want to hit something with that. Maybe we'll be stupid and use it on ourselves, so no worries there. But maybe we'll use it on somebody else. Or try to. Then what? Sure, they can certainly stop it from doing any damage, but then, we'll consider that a hostile act. Now what? Ants evolve, as do we. Perhaps there's something in our DNA from making the last technological leap needed to be a spacefaring species like the aliens. And perhaps we're completely unable to realize that we're missing something, so no hope of GMing our way into doing it. We're just dumb apes who'll die out here and be replaced by some other species in a billion years. Seems unlikely to me. But then, why worry about us? I haven't seen any "Save the ants!" signs, have you? Right, but it pointed his research in areas that it wouldn't have gone, and that actually changed the development of a few things with the space program. Not giant changes, of course, and they likely would have eventually hit on the things he did as part of their research. But he shortened the development time a bit. So, if the government had some kind of incontrovertible proof that aliens are here (and are keeping us in the dark about it), do you think it'd be just one guy in the basement of a building working on figuring things out? Or do you think that we'd put some serious effort behind it? Sure. For a period of time? How long? Forever? What if somebody slips us the goods and the knowledge of how to use them? Or what if we figure it out on our own? What then? You say maybe we'll change, and if you'd have asked me in 1992 would I at all ever be worried about the idea of Russia starting WWIII, I'd have said "Nope." Yet here we are.
Eh, he's still a billionaire, and the website's still up, so who knows? But I don't see him giving up on the idea of finding aliens any time soon. I don't remember if Paul Allen's estate is still funding things like SETI and a bunch of radio telescopes or not. I wouldn't be surprised though if there were more than a few tech millionaires and billionaires kicking the odd million or ten towards such things.
A FB friend on one of my alt accounts posted what he claims is his alien abduction story. Here’s part one:
Gonna copy paste this plug for the Uplift series I wrote a decade ago: If you haven't already, ou should check out Sundiver by David Brin (wrote The Postman). It's basically a mystery novel, but the universe it and the other books in the series are set in is pretty interesting. Basically every intelligent species in the universe (hundreds, thousands maybe of them) share a common lineage to some ancient ancient civilization. Once upon a time this forgotten civ found creatures that had the potential for for sentience and 'uplifted' them, through manipulating their genes and culture. This process went on for billions of year, with this new race being a 'Client Race' having to serve their 'Patrons' for hundreds of thousands of years to millions, until it was determined they were capable of uplifting a new species themselves. Which is no easy thing, as your post points out introducing tech before a species is ready could be very very bad. Only when it was determined that a race had progressed to the point where they could uplift another would they no longer be a Client Race. Anyway, the entire intergalactic social circle is based on this process, with it basically being a giant pyramid scheme. The older your species is, the more Clients you have, the more former Clients who are now Patrons themselves, etc. etc. down the line, the more respected your race is. Except for the humans. We somehow developed space flight all on our own. Even worse by the time we caught the attention of the rest of the universe we has started rudimentary work 'uplifting' chimps and dolphins so not only do we have no known Patrons, but under the law we already have our own Clients so no one can make us a Client. Anyway, it's a neat setup. Your post reminded me of it. http://wordforge.net/index.php?threads/do-you-want-the-aliens-to-show-up.95443/page-2#post-2374632
No. Not everything is about you Dayton Jr and I’ve been saying it for years but you REALLY need to examine this need you have to ALWAYS be a main character whether hero, victim or villain.
