Trouble in America

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  1. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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  2. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    fair enough... I jsut figure that to be good money being thrown after bad.
    Frankly, I'd take a lot of things out of what they're deployed to along with increasing the training period to match a basic community college diploma (4 semesters here) and decrease the pay to match. Not a punitive measure, but rather to further lower the superman self perception-specifically in tasks they aren't (capably) trained for. How often do they peacefully de-escalate a situation that their presence didn't already exacerbate? As we are currently seeing in the US the rot is far greater than a few... more like the orchard is toxic and needs to be replanted with a whole new variety of apple.
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    I want the salaries to be high enough to draw good people who might be attracted to other professionals. That's part of my tear down idea: start over and allow cops with good records to reapply for their old jobs at higher salaries, whilst making it clear that they will have to compete for those jobs. Better training, better psychological screening...the list goes on and on...
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    Couple thoughts:

    -Don't cops generally already make a shitload of money compared to other jobs with comparable education requirements, especially once overtime is factored in?

    -No amount of training or screening is going to accomplish anything unless you dismantle the power structure that makes cops into unaccountable bullies that don't reflect the areas they're supposed to protect. It's not just bad apples, it's a bad barrel. :shrug:
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    All of the above.
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    It depends upon where the police are located. For example, in my area, the police make less on the hour than I do. They get some perks, such as they can live free in apartment complexes if they park their patrol car in the lot when they're off-duty, and freebies from local merchants. They don't, however, make anything like a six-figure income that police in other areas do.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Some fun facts: https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-Police-Officer-Salary-by-State
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    Some of the video from the Breonna Taylor shooting has been released.
    Videos at the link.
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    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    We are definitely at the 'Who Watches the Watchmen' stage of police powers.
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  20. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Wow.

    Might want to check the ballistics against the officer's guns...
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    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Love repped for someone being willing to speak up.
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    Chaos Descending 14th Level Human Cleric

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    I have a sneaking suspicion that the 9mm slug they dug out of the officer isn't going to match the .40 cal pistols carried by the officers.
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    And cops never carry backups?

    https://www.policemag.com/501522/exclusive-police-survey-backup-and-off-duty-handguns

    Article is from 2019, but 94% of respondents said they carried one backup. And 85% said their department permitted it. I doubt much has changed.
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    "Backups" or "Throwdowns"....throwdowns being a weapon you can throw down next to the body of an unarmed suspect you shot to make it look like the guy was armed and trying to shoot you.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Ankle holsters. :yes:
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    Amazon has added a new product to it's Ring line: a dashcam that starts recording when you say "Alexa, I'm being pulled over."

    "Traffic stops can be a time when having video is important, so that everyone remains on their best behavior," said Ring's Head of Mobile Products Nathan Ackerman, in an interview with Roadshow. "So, we developed a feature to support that."

    Those keeping score might note the irony of Ring, an Amazon subsidiary that cozied up with police previously for surveillance with its home products, is now selling a camera for your car that can help protect travelers from the police on the road.

    Public opinion on policing has changed significantly over the last year, becoming more hotly debated in the wake of a series of high-profile police killings and protests in support of the Black Lives Matter movement. Now, perhaps more than ever, people are training their cameras on law enforcement in an attempt to hold them accountable. Apple also recently debuted a Siri shortcut that automatically records police encounters for its iPhone, so Ring's new Ring Car Cam with its Traffic Stop mode isn't unprecedented. Let's dig into how to use the feature and how it works.
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  28. Chaos Descending

    Chaos Descending 14th Level Human Cleric

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    So basically the conspiracy theory now is that one of the cops happened to have a gun of the same caliber as the guy that shot the cop and that the one cop really shot the other cop?

    Even though the guy that shot the cop admitted to shooting at the cop?
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    Shooting at is not the same as hitting.

    If the guy's gun doesn't match the bullet that was dug out of the cop, then there was a second gun. If he had two guns, the cops would be broadcasting it to the heavens as proof of a heavily-armed criminal.

    Something is odd here. I'm not saying a cop DID have a 9mm, but unlike you I'm not ruling it out just because "the cops were carrying 0.40 caliber guns" since there is evidence from a survey run by a police magazine that cops do carry other weapons and that 9mm guns are a popular choice.
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  30. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Even if it wasn't the police with a self-inflicted wound to justify the shooting, and who knows, b/c none of them had cameras that were recording.... that means someone other than the dead woman and the man they say shot at them were responsible for the wound.

    And that's where we get back to wanton endangerment again...
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