Trump wants to stop all Muslims from coming into the US

Dinner would do well as part of Britain First. His rhetoric is literally exactly the same.

The constituional law professors did not talk about registration, they did talk about the constitutionality of barring foreigners for any reason the congress should so deem. If you paid attention to the Gitmo cases you would know the constituion does not protect foreigners who are not in the US. So as a matter of constitutional law the professors are very likely to be correct. It would take an act of Congress though and, as I said, he was unlikely to get that.

It's not immoral. Realize that the West's religious tolerance was founded on its previous intolerance. We looked around and all we saw were other Christians (most of whom were going to hell because they were wrong - but that's between them and God) and a small number of Jews who didn't hurt anybody and handled our taxes for us. General consensus, after a few centuries of mass slaughter: I'll leave you alone if you leave me alone. All religions (looking around at the neighbors) are okay.

Islam wasn't included in that consensus. We just got lazy in the 20th century and tried to grandfather it in under general principles. But Islam can't be a part of the consensus because too many of them disagree strongly with it. They have to disagree with it because it flatly contradicts the Koran, which says that Islam must dominate the other people of the book and slay the rest who refuse to convert. Until they have an enlightenment, which would probably shatter Islam, the only Muslims we can get along with are the ones who don't take their faith very seriously.

You could argue that the problem is not Islam, it's Islamist supremacism, but that just gets back to the problem that Islamist supremacism is at the heart of Islam. It's not a flaky interpretation like some wacko Christian cult. It's all the way to the core. And unlike Christianity, Islam lays out how a government must function, and how the non-Muslims must behave. You can't have equal tolerance for a religion that you don't share but that tells you how you must behave.

Thus, the majority of Americans say that Islam is fundamentally incompatible with American values. They are correct. In no Western country can an adult be forever controlled because of a religion they rejected. We can't beat our adult children to death for disgracing our religion. There are a lot of things we can't allow that Muslims must do, if they're true to their faith.

Nice wriggling. But it still amounts to treating other humans as subhumans, and that's what makes people like you Nazi scum....and if you agree with one aspect of the profiling then it stands to reason you agree with the other.

Oh, and I did pay attention to the Gitmo case and your Supreme Court ruled that the people in Gitmo were not enemy combatants, despite what was claimed by the Bush Administration....and that it was the debate over whether or not they were enemy combatants that was relevant to their right to a friar trial, ot entry to the United States as immigrants (which none of them sought since they were picked up on foreign soil). Get yourself an education you ignorant fascist bigot.

No, it means the US has the right to control its borders any way it deems fit. No noncitizen has a right to enter nor does a single person have a right to immigrate. We get to decide who we want and who we do not want.

When did the U.S. deliberately target women and children in Iraq?

And as for the "instability" in Iraq when the Bush administration left office, I'll remind you that violence had dropped dramatically in 2008. American deaths were a small fraction of what they had been all thanks to the troop surge that President Bush ordered.

Ok, let me put a scenario to you.

American born citizen marries a a naturalised American citizen from, say, Iran, which was born into a Muslim family there. She came to the US many years ago. Does not practice her religion. She leaves her parents behind. Her father dies and her mother is in her eighties and ill. She isn't going to live much longer and is all alone. They want to bring her over to spend her last years being cared for by her daughter and son-in-law. She meets the requirements of the immigration laws.....but she too was born a Muslim. Under your proposal she dies alone or the two Americans have to try and start a new life in Iran, where it will likely not be easy for them for obvious reasons. This is actually incidental a case I had a few years ago. What you're saying if this case were in America, it would be fair and just to profile her as a would terrorist based on her association with Islam and leave her to die alone. Does that seems fair? Does it make you feel good?

You can argue legalities until the cows come home, but if you cannot see the basic inhuman scenarios religious profiling can create then you are an even bigger fool than I already now think you are, and a very nasty, non-compassionate and selfish one at that.

Who said anything about "deliberately targeting"? Are you claiming that a politician who starts a war (especially one based on a lie) doesn't know that women and children will die as part of it?

Or are you claiming that collateral damage is acceptable even when it becomes clear that a war was unjust and caused an even more unstable condition?

This is just a cheap stunt to appease the bed wetters, and it seems from this thread to be working well.

The politics of fear and ignorance. Us against them. Not so different from that which is fed to young Muslims and radicalises them.

How do we know the old woman isn't a suicide bomber with nothing to lose? It could be a new tactic. If her country stopped threatening to wipe out Manhattan with a nuclear strike maybe we'd be more inclined to let her come over.

Sure, there are good Muslims, like this guy:


Okay, who am I kidding. He's now facing six months in jail for threatening to murder a member of Parliament with a bomb. Turns out he's got a rap sheet a mile long, too.

If Muslims would behave like normal people we wouldn't be having this discussion. People around the world wouldn't be having this discussion. But then the Middle East would be a nice happy place then, too, wouldn't it.

Exactly. The depressing thing is that it works so well. All these problems - hey look it's because of the Jews, the blacks, the immigrants, the Muslims (delete as appropriate).

So the whole thing about ISIS spreading throughout the region is just in our heads. Paris was just some restaurant violence.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, European intelligence agencies are investigating whether ISIS might have managed to move chemical weapons or precursors into Europe, as they've been threatening to carry out such attacks.

Ahhh, good ol GTwat ad his selective "facts" pulled from the tabloids.

That guy is a white, multi generational British convert....so Trump's "keep 'em out" policy wouldn't have stopped him would it?

Furthermore more he doesn't have a long "rap sheet", and the message he posted was on Facebook on what he thought was a closed group and didn't think it was visible to the public, so did intentionally not make a direct threat to the MP. Finally, he has been diagnosed as mentally ill, which is seems everyone takes notice of usually when it's a white man doing something questionable.....ya know, like mowing down kids with a machine gun. Oh, but this must be different. No Muslims can be mentally ill or post bullshit on the internet.... That's a complete impossibility. Yet all those who have wished death on Bush and Obama? Freedom of speech, etc.

^ And it's always the same people kind of people who fall for it. I'm sure that back in the early twenieth century gtunrer and his ilk would have been banging on about the Jewish question.

Nope. Jews are harmless. They do our taxes and win Nobel Prizes in everything. They're also funny.

A more important question is why Europeans, who slaughtered the Jews because they were "evil capitalist exploiters", is now so intent on filling Europe with tens of millions of people whose goal in life is to slaughter the European Jews that are left? It won't be much longer before the last Jews leave Europe. They're no longer safe there - because the left thinks Jews are Nazis and Muslims are oppressed.

You would have been spouting off the rhetoric of fascist parties back then, just as you are spouting off that of their political heirs now.

Uh, no. I'm conservative, not radical socialist. The German right despised Hitler as a low-class socialist moron. They eventually tried to assassinate him. The German National Socialist Workers Party blamed all their problems on evil Jewish capitalists, Anglo-American capitalist exploiters who were working for the Jews, and Slavs who were too primitive for socialism.

Just as now, the Socialists allied with the Muslims to purge the world of Jews.

So just to get this straight, you cunts shoot up high schools on a monthly basis and everything is fine, its accepted that this is just what happens.

Then a couple of muslims shoot up a community centre and Trump and Gturner want to go down the full Nazi route?

Nice consistent approach!

That is a myth.

Yes it is, because it displays a fundamental lack of knowledge on the branch of Islam that ISIS follow (or claim to follow), on the various different secular parts of the religion in the wider world and even in the many different views amounts ISIS and other Islamist groups. It also displays a misunderstand of where Muslims are in the world by your use of "the region".

If you were half as educated as you think you are, you would know, for instance, that 62% of the world's Muslims aren't even from the Sunni Middle East/North Africa countries in which ISIS operate. Tell me, how many of the 200million Muslims in Indonesia are joining up with ISIS? If you knew what you were talking about you'd know that ISIS have been threatening attacks on Indonesia. What of Shia majority Iran that is directly at war with ISIS? That's slap bang in "the region" as you call it. Again, tens of millions of Muslims. That's just a couple of examples. That's nearly 400m people in those two countries. Number of people in ISIS, including foreign recruits? The CIA estimates about 30,000-35,000. Less conservative estimates suggest at the very highest 200,000. So that's 200,000 out of 1.6 billion Muslims in the world.

So while there certainly is a spread of ISIS in "the region", Islamism has been present in the world for decades and it's intellectually bankrupt to suggest that several hundred thousand ISIS or other Islamists are dictating policy for 1.6 billion, Sunni or otherwise, Muslims. It's no less stupid than saying that the proliferation of Christian fundamentalism in places like Uganda and the Congo, or the abortion clinic attack from last week, indicates that 2.4 billion Christians support such people and acts of violence.

This is the difference between having a brain, and pretending to have a brain but just recycling tabloid garbage and falsehoods that everyone can see through. That's why so many of your posts get ignored.

Blaming a whole group of people and looking down on them for what less than 1% of 1% do is exactly the kind of bigoted nonsense that people like Trump are spouting.

I really never expected you, of all people, to go there.

Maybe, but mass shootings are and happen daily in the US now, not monthly. That means that statistics show that there is a greater threat from gun obsessed Americans to other Americans than there is from Islamists.

I think you'll find he was most likely referring to the people who ignore mass shootings and refuse to debate the problem rather than every American.

The President of the United States was assured by the CIA Director (a Clinton appointee and no friend of the Bush Admin.) that evidence in favor of WMDs in Iraq were a "slam dunk".

Thus when the Bush admin. insisted there were WMDs in Iraq they were telling the truth as they knew it as indicated by the nations intelligence chief.

Thus, they did not lie to justify the war.

Some level of collateral damage is acceptable when it is in service to legitimate war aims. Just look what is happening in Syria today when the military is basically ordered to cause no civilian deaths.

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Please do continue to tell us how pleased you are with the recent Front National victory in France.

Can you prove it?

And how many of those people "shoot up high schools on a monthly basis"?

Well according to your friend Wiki, there have been 20 shooting incidents at high schools in 2015 alone, so I probably underestimed. Now even if we decide to split hairs and say random single incident shootings should not be classed with mass shootings, then there there is certainly enough evidence to suggest these are not isolated, freak incidents. Indeed, on 10 of those occasions, more than 1 person died so it its almost a monthly occurrence, and that’s only if you want to base on number of deaths, not number of people injured.

Regardless, point still stands. The typical reaction is a shrug of the shoulders and oh well, it’s too difficult to do anything. Muslims do something similar in a community centre and a couple of idiots, Gturner and the Donald decide to ramp things right up.