Trump wants to stop all Muslims from coming into the US

We've had tons of very religious presidents. Jefferson didn't think extinction was possible because it would represent an imperfection in God's creation, so he asked Lewis and Clark to keep an eye out for woolly mammoths when they went out west. Lincoln said that only the power of God let him make such momentous decisions through the Civil War. And Jefferson and Lincoln were the only two Presidents who didn't have a religious affiliation.

Jimmy Carter was a born-again Baptist who'd ask people if they'd been saved by Jesus Christ. George W Bush and Ronald Reagan were famously religious, while some like James Garfield were actual preachers (Garfield could even preach in Greek). Lyndon Johnson was a Disciple of Christ and Nixon was a Quaker.

He's talking ignorant shit again anyway. Sunni Extremists don't follow it "to the letter". If they did they wouldn't rape and murder in the manner they do, and there wouldn't be constant disagreements between such extremist groups as Al-Qaeda and ISIS, and so on. Whilst there is no denying that they interpret some parts of the Koran more literally to justify their actions, to claim they follow it to the letter is fundamentally false and once again shows Naziboy's total lack of knowledge on the subject - instead succumbing to the shite he reads on his scaremongering blogs. It is quite false to pretend that they are following the "correct" Islam as if you say that then you would also have to make the case that, for instance, being murdered by Christians for heresy, as happened for centuries, reflects they "true" Christianity since the Bible dictates it in both Old and New Testament.

No, as I said earlier, religion, and how that is interpreted, is the choice of the individual, and it's arguable that the closest thing that comes towards a "correct" version of a religion would be the elements that are most commonly shared by the majority of it's followers.....which would mean that what the extremists following isn't the "correct" version, and inadvertentlt once again shows you why the idea of religion is all rather silly in the first place.

You're a racist for the things you say, not because there's some kind of star chamber. Why don't you go hang out with Castle so you can both complain about bigotry against bigots.

Says nobody but you.

And Obama. He even put it in one of his speeches.

How can you be so dense as to not understand the difference? ISIS is literally doing what their Islamic religion tells them to do while the LRA is doing the exact opposite of what their scripture tells them to. Obviously one of these religions sanctions and promotes evil while the other does not.

The difference is so stark, even to my atheist mind, that I can only conclude people who pretend otherwise are deliberately lying and drawing false equivalencies on purpose.

Typical out of you. Ignore the points and call names because you cannot address the point.

Thank you for showing everyone how weak and indefensible your position really is.

Just because you dialed back the rhetoric doesn't mean we suddenly forget your hundreds of posts calling Moslems and Arabs animals, filth, etc. You're a racist piece of shit, and we all know it. You have no points worthy of response on this topic because we all know where you stand.

He's not a racist. What upsets him are the aspects of Islamic culture where women and "heretics" are treated like dirt, abused, auctioned off, murdered, and otherwise oppressed because a big part of Islamic culture is Islamic supremacism whereby everyone whose not a Muslim male can be treated as less than human, and where gays and atheists can be freely and barbarically executed and crowds will cheer it on.

The Western left is fully on board with the enslavement of women and the violent suppression or execution of homosexuals and atheists. One day maybe they'll wake up. But for now they're too busy accumulating SJW outrage points against Christians to give a fuck what happens in truly oppressive societies where people can bash a girl's head in with a rock as all the men pump their fists.

Gul always ignores that shit because Gul wants to feel self righteous and to pat himself on the back. He will ignore all evidence to the contrary, lie constantly attempting to conflate religion with race, all because he desperately feels lacking and hates himself for some reason (just as all SJWs do).

It is sad really especially the part where he shows he dismisses any thoughts and evidence outside his little political bubble.

You are still dishonestly trying to pretend religious ideology is the same as race, huh? I am arguing against a fascist ideology because they want to kill me for being an atheist, they want to throw people like my gay cousin off of buildings, and because they violate every single value any liberal holds dear.

You how ever really are a racist and you will both defend and embrace any vile ideological bull shit as long as the perpetrators are nonwhite and nonchristian. You hate yourself and your culture so much you have convinced yourself that we are always wrong, that they are always right, that western liberal democracy is some how always worse, and that everyone's opinions are some how all equally valid no matter how violent or barbaric their ideology is.

So go fuck yourself, Gul, I think we all know who the real bigots are here and that is you and your SJW friends.

Yep, I called it with the Castle comparison.

Ha ha ha. You walked right into Gul's trap with that one. Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.

The irony here is that you're for worse than Castle ever was. Oh he offered up bigoted views about Muslims. But I don't think he was nearly as passionate as you about it, nor did he go full out racist. You can pretend that you've only go against a religion. But you haven't. You've also said:-

1) Indians, Arabs and Persians are animals who wipe their arses with their hands. - Racism

2) That Syrians are savage animals. - Racism

3) That migrants are all benefits/welfare cheats , - Stereotyped xenophobia

4) That foreigners are dirty (a blanket statement that includes people who post here) - Xenophobia

5) That migrants are all uneducated savages who just spew refuse everywhere. - Racism & xenophobia

I'm sure there's some other stuff as well that I didn't read. Point is you've been found out, and no about of neg reps or flaming posts is going to change that. You're a racist and everyone here with a brain knows it and has called you on it. Now you're so desperate you're scraping the "woe is me" barrel with this laughable social justice warrior crap and " you're a bigot if you challenge my racism" line of argument that twats like Castle use. Not only can opposing racism by default never be bigotry, but you can't put the genie of clearly established racism (and the idiotic mindset that comes with it) back into the bottle. Remember that the next time you want to pop over to Troll Kingdom to mock and deride Castle.

Or, perhaps.......just perhaps...you could sit down and think about why so many are calling you out as a racist and bigot. In one of the many posts I exposed your bullshit I posted a good number of links where your attitude was very much in line with our own. So clearly you once thought differently. I'd say therefore that there's three possibilities. Either you've just bought into fear and can recover from it. That you take the internet waaaaaay too seriously (and does seem to be the case) and will doggedly stick by even the most idiotic standpoint just for the sake of not "losing". Or that you were a racist all along, and just took the opposite position because you were busy trying to accuse Maud Dib of racism. Another one who your developed a grudge against.

Whichever it is, it's been so amusing to troll the shit out of your racism and watch you self destruct so beautifully.

As I said, it's not racism.

Pop quiz.

You get job offers to work in a small town in any of several foreign countries for five years, but you have to bring your wife and kids and don't get to stay with a big tourist group in a posh hotel, you all have to live among the natives. The options are:

A) France
B) Germany
C) Denmark
D) Estonia
E) Italy
F) Saudi Arabia
G) Kuwait
H) Egypt
I) Pakistan
J) Bangladesh
K) Gaza
L) Australia

Which offers would you or your wife rule out, and why? Be honest.

If culture and development have no real meaning because they're all essentially the same, then why should liberals ever bother trying to change them, and why would they spend their lives railing about how "backwards" conservative Christians are?

Yet when anybody from the countries and cultures Dinner is raging about walks away from the bad aspects of their home culture and becomes fully Westernized, sharing our values and interests, they become one of us regardless of race, even as they retain lots of the wonderful bits of their own culture - which we have been appropriating for many centuries.

Here's an example from India, fresh off the boat.



There are similar examples from Muslim countries, and yet in some of those countries such as Afghanistan a girl risks being murdered if she sways her hips in time with music, not just suggestively, but any amount that can possibly be considered "dancing", which is wrong and must be punished by death.

So they should waive their security requirement of needing to see identification for one person dumb enough to not carry identification with him? How the fuck is implementing company policy bigoted? If that couple is that thin-skinned I'm sure they would have been some great neighbors. And no, he was NOT reasonable to assume he was being profiled. The only way to be sure is to send a blond-haired blue-eyed couple in to look at apartments in this same building and not have identification with them. Bottom line - if you are paid to conduct apartment tours will you risk losing your job because somebody might get their feelings hurt? Give me a fucking break.
I hope my local military base doesn't hire you as a gate guard.

You're totally missing the point. He's not talking about their right to ask for identification. He's talking about the fact that American Muslims are currently on the receiving end of so much bigotry and suspicion that it is creating a mindset in them that when stuff like this happens it's happening because they are Muslim, even if it isn't. Liet is saying that this is the consequence of pursuing a rhetoric of division and isolation. Exactly the kind of rhetoric we have seen in threads like this.

Push them away more, they will feel less a part of society and when they feel less a part of society they are more likely to find common ground with anti-western rhetoric and extremist views. We should be looking to create a division in Islamic communities, with extremists pushed further away and peaceful people brought closer to us. Instead by succumbing to fear we push the latter away as well and rob ourselves of more allies against extremism.

I'm amazed that so many people don't have the intelligence to work this out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty much every ethic/religious group that came to the US voluntarily (not in slave shackles) felt discriminated on, picked on, singled out, etc.
Irish, German, Jews, Italians, etc.etc. Some assimilated quickly, some never did and hunkered down in their ethnic enclaves. These are the "growing pains" of entering a new society, or at least concerning the US in the last couple of centuries, which is a large chunk of our total time as a nation of course. Guess the US has never had the intelligence to work this out.
Bottom line - being part of what might be considered a backward/different culture in the US is not a bed of roses in the beginning, right or wrong.

Yep, you're wrong. WASPs didn't, for one.

True, since they started the US for the most part. But how many of our relatives came through Ellis Island and were hence marginalized? Probably most of us.

I don't recall any stories about Germans being particularly marginalised, either. So that's two.

Apparently Germans had a better strategy when they came here. Also a higher percentage would be protestant versus Italians for example.

http://maxkade.iupui.edu/adams/chap4.html

And of course, Native Americans were marginalised despite being there first. It is looking more and more as if the general law isn't "sucks if you're new", but "sucks to meet white middle-European Christians".

And if China or Japan had gotten here first, they would have treated the natives or white immigrants any better? That would be a cool "alternative history" experiment.

I am sure they felt picked on by native Americans.

You are wrong. There were organized anti-German efforts in the 19th century. Efforts to outlaw the German language and especially during WW1 beating people up on the streets simply because their last name was German sounding.

By and large German immigrants came as part of groups, often whole towns there would move here, and they were better organized so that they would arrive knowing one of their group had already scouted ahead, bought land, and figured out where everyone was going to settle. The Germans did the same in southern Brazil setting up whole new German towns.

Compare that to Irish who usually just settled where ever the ship dropped them off and with very little advanced planning.

Yeah, any group of people expanding westward was rolling the dice on being attacked. But it was a technology game (stone age versus modern engineering and weapons and logistics) and a numbers game. There were a limited amount of natives and a whole continent of Europeans coming by the boat full 24/7. I'm thinking if the natives had a concept of just how many people were coming our "First Thanksgiving" would have been our last!

And according to people like you, that was the right thing to do.

You do like in a fantasy world where facts and reality do not matter as much to you as the voices in your head.

That I have never said any such thing doesn't matter to you as long as you get to lie and demonize, huh? At least my positions on the evils of the Islamic religion is based upon what is actually in the texts and what the cultists actually say and do. You just lie and make shit up.

No. He just sees you for what you are and the countless analogies that apply to your own hate and fear.

Has it never occurred to you why so many Germans agreed with or were indifferent to Nazi rhetoric? What was the Nazi rhetoric? That Jews were animals. Savage subhumans. Dirty and without manners or culture. Scheming and corrupt. Not German and therefore dirty foreigners. There to take over Germany and Europe. This was taken to the extent that anyone with a Jewish name was the enemy. That people were persecuted if they were remotely related to one. That they were made to register as Jews and wear a star.

Replace Jew with Muslim and you find your posts are nearly identical. Gul sees that. Others do as well. I suspect you know this in reality, which is why you can spot that persecuting people because of their names or heritage is wrong but you've taken this ranting so far that I suspect you know that admitting it will amount to having to swallow your pride and, either way, your reputation here is pretty non-recoverable.