Trump's Wall: total fantasyland says engineer

Thank you for admitting you bring nothing to the conversation and are just trying to derail things because you could not argue logically. Either come up with a decent defense for not punishing illegal alien criminals are crawl back to which ever hole you came out of. Thanks.

Sorry, you don't get to demand anything; and ridiculing your absurd premises, 'arguments' and 'logic' ( ) is fun.

They didn't even understand the concept of owning land. They didn't understand a lot of concepts that took thousands of years to develop. But they were damn quick learners because the concept are really simple. A bunch of hunters might hunt across most of Western North America, but that doesn't mean they own it or we would all be Dick Cheney's tenants.

They didn't understand the concept of private property but that is not the same thing.

They didn't agree in any proper sense of the word, but they got it anyway, and we are much better for it. But don't you dare, don't you dare, refer to the people that gave my country freedom, democracy, and a constitution respecting basic rights and dignity for all humans, as "we" in the midst of your campaign to turn lies into hatred against the weakest scapegoats you can find. You are not among those people. You, sir, are no better than my great-grandfather.

Wait... So anyone who wants fair and democratically enacted immigration laws which conform to the protections of the constitution to be actually enforced are some how the same as Nazis? Go fuck yourself, sir, and that is the only response such tripe deserves.

You went off the deep end with your silly slippery slope arguments and false equivalencies.

Oooh, the 'sirs' are being deployed, we must be close to a flung hanky and pistols at dawn!

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0VY1AU

If the Swiss actually stand up to foreign law breakers then I might go out and buy some Swiss reclette cheese to show my support.

It's not a question of understanding - (not to argue with @Inútil). Just because a concept was not implemented does not mean they didn't understand it. 100 years ago, auto-makers understood the concept of renewable energy - even had several working prototypes that worked better than gasoline engines. They just didn't go that route.

The difference between the humans who fought tooth and nail to scrape a living out of harsh conditions developed very differently than the humans who did not have to fight tooth and nail for a square bit of land to grow vegetables.

What was necessary for Europeans was not necessary for native americans.

An astonishing display of ignorance, even for you.

They had electric and gasoline. Gasoline won out because it became more efficient then the batteries of the time.

Electric cars were expensive, slow, very difficult to recharge, and very short ranged. It just couldn't compete against a gas engine in the end and that was that.

They had no sense of what renewable energy was. They weren't trying to save energy or the environment. You simply had two types of technology fighting it out in the marketplace and the gasoline engine won. Now both types are starting to fight again and it looks as if electric might pull out an upset and win.

Diseases from white men, just to make it that much more ironic.

I can't speak for others, but for my part it's mostly the historical irony of some of the things that are said when it comes to immigration. Personally, I'm also against illegal immigration, just not as... passionately as some others seem to be. And while some people think something along the lines of the Inner German Border is in order, I think that easing the immigration process and pursuing companies and individuals that hire illegal immigrants would do a lot more to reduce illegal immigration.

Really? Because they routinely attacked and killed people they considered to be trespassing. They even competed over areas with other tribes all the time.

We'll have to wait for Dinner to respond, but based on some of his other racist claims, he no doubt sees the disease as symptomatic of the natives being filthy animals.

That's war over hunting territories. Without any recognition of ownership, the only way to maintain hunting rights was to fight anyone groups that wandered in, a bit like lions on the savanna. In terms of development, they were still way behind the ancient Egyptians or Sumerians.

And yet to this day both the Lakota and the Cheyenne claim ownership of the Black Hills, an area considered to be holy to both tribes.

Americans of WW-II not only cracked down on illegal immigrants, Eisenhower had 1.3 million of them deported back to Mexico in "operation wetback." In the aftermath of WW-II there were huge mass migrations as people moved to be on proper side of the newly drawn European borders. If people could just stay where they wanted nobody would have gone anywhere.

The land is actually owned by Norwegian Americans who can prove they're more than 1/4 Norwegian and less than 1/2 Swedish. If you fit the profile, the Black Hills are yours!

And therein lies the problem. We don't normally recognize "ownership" as being tribal because that system doesn't really work at all - anywhere. You might as well have Irish Americans claim ownership of all BMW's built between 1975 and 2010. How do you tie a particular person to a particular car, and why do Irish get to claim a particular make?

An Indian can own anything. A group of Indians can come together to form a joint-stock company and own anything, such as the Seminoles who own Planet Hollywood, operating the tribe as a corporation. But we don't confuse ownership with sovereignty or hunting rights.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Just because terms weren't used 100 years ago doesn't mean someone today wouldn't know what the term means. you're just being an asshole.

Nothing of the sort, liar. Just that there were no organized governments so the claim of legal or illegal is meaningless and obviously an attempt to detract from the fact that you are wrong about supporting criminal illegal aliens today. Your argument just has no merit.

But as I've already demonstrated, your claim that there were no native constituted nations with governments is simply wrong. That you continue with the lie is very interesting. Why do you not respect the truth on this matter?

Then let them fight to the death to decide ownership! It will be the biggest pay-per-view event ever!

Some village elders and a chief sitting under a tree is hardly government in our sense of the term. Very few of the tribes even had permanent villages. It was more like encountering a big extended family of Canadians wintering together in an RV park.

You are one of the fucking stupidest people on this board.

Of course someone today would know what the concept of renewable energy happens to be BUT your dumb brain-dead ass said "100 years ago, auto-makers understood the concept of renewable energy" which is wrong. They didn't know about it because 100 years ago it seemed like there would be unlimited energy. No one 100 years ago paid any thought to the possibility that we might run out of energy necessitating the need to look for renewable energy.

What you said was wrong. Wrong about them 100 years ago thinking about renewable energy. Wrong about them having working prototypes that worked better then gasoline engines. There were no electric cars that could beat any gasoline engine once the gas engine got past it's experimental phase and went into production.

Read a book once in a while. Ever hear of a guy named Tesla? and, yes, there were working electric engines 100 years ago. They understood "the concept of renewable energy". Just because they did not use the term does not mean the did not understand the concept.

Why do I even bother. Forget it. Don't bother answering. There's nothing you can say that would make me think you have a clue.

Do you enjoy living in a fantasy land? Outside of Mexico or the Andes no governments did exist and the best you got were village big men who didn't rule anything and just tried to persuade people. Some did later form governments when faced with white encroachment but that was far later than your original claim.

Face it, you know you are full of crap and that is why you made this terrible comparison to begin with, to try to change the subject instead of continuing to show how retarded your position is (only Nazis would support immigration laws!), so you tried this red herring and it was even more dumb than your original stupid claim.

Don't bother answering? Why don't you take your sorry bitch ass to Gawker if you can't handle Wordforge. You'd fit right in with those one-sided retards who don't want to hear anything but their own bullshit.

I DID NOT SAY THERE WERE NO ELECTRIC ENGINES 100 YEARS AGO YOU MORON.

They sold them primarily to women (clean instead of dirty gas engines) and the rich.

As I said in the marketplace you had the electric and gas and gas engines eventually won out.

No one looked at electric engines as a renewable source of energy because it wasn't a renewable source. Even today it's a fraud because it relies on non-renewable sources of energy such as gas, oil, nuclear or coal from electric companies. When a electric car can recharge just on its own from the sun then it can be said to be renewable.

Steam cars survived into the 1930s but became progressively less competitive with gasoline powered cars as time goes on. Electric engines really only survived in transportation in trains and street cars.

With modern battery technology electric really is viable again though there is 120 years worth of infrastructure investment (especially in things like gas stations) which will keep gas powered cars ahead unless we enact legislation. Just based upon pollution and how it effects our environment we need to go that way. There will be lots of kicking and screaming, crying, and hand wring but it would work.

It would have to be a global move or at least a large block of countries and countries which don't move will have to be punished economically (a complete embargo until they move to adopt), but it can and must be done.

You probably should have read the link I posted about the Iroquois. But, whatever. You're credibility around here can't get much lower, so just keep doing what you've been doing.