TSA Goons Pull Pants Off Disabled Man In Public View

We should ban nipple rings.

Sounds about right. If that airport is anything like Atlanta, I'm surprised the goons didn't take off the man's pants because they needed to count to eleven.

Eleven, folks.

Most people have ten fingers, so needing another.......nevermind.

You read stuff like this and you just want to scream but then you realize that there are always two sides of the story.

I saw the tape of Robin Kassner. No sound but you can get the fact that she is being argumentative when they pan the camera over to her area. More LEO's are brought in (meaning the situation is already spiraling out of control) and she is still arguing and reaching into her stuff (making everyone nervous no doubt). You can see the LEO point to the chair probably telling her to sit. She refuses they try to make her sit but she hits the front of the chair sitting and it pops out from under her causing her to fall. They pick her up and then shes still arguing they bring her to the table and handcuff her.

She certainly wasn't roughed up by watching the video. She looked like one of those idiots out there who can't keep their mouths shut and emotions in check.

http://www.gadling.com/2008/07/11/w...0-million-because-of-a-tsa-screening-a/print/

I'm not sure why she is suing TSA since the one TSA guy never laid a hand on her.

Other then that we've had the nipple issue on this board and they should have used common sense and let her through. The prosthetic guy got screwed. TSA really needs to do a better job in dealing with them.

50 years ago, if someone would have done that to any of the people above, there would be TSA idiots on the ground as good citizens would have come to their aid. Now though, people cower and wait in line while these things take place. We're becoming complacent. Our individual rights and liberties are all we really have. Take those away, and we might as well be like Huxley's "Brave New World".

J.

You touch a TSA now and I'm quite sure you're breaking all kinds of rules and laws you've never even heard of. You'll end up under the jail in this post 9/11 world!

Quite an imagination you have. 50 years ago it was mostly the rich and well to do that flew. Not todays crowd of people.

In America, mostly well to do whites filled airports. See the movie Bullit for a good example. The ending is filmed in a SF airport.

Yep. Federal offense.

On top of that most people would do exactly what they do today: wait in line.

It's bullshit that people would have taken the TSA to the "ground" 50 years ago. Fifty years ago you didn't have this nonsense from the citizens or the government.

I'm not just speaking of flying, I'm talking about anything that has to do with a security guard, or anyone in a position of authority that did such a thing.

Now, follow that line of thought.

J.

What do you base this on??

I wasn't around 50 yrs ago. But I'm closer to it than you. I do recall Blacks being treated bad by whites. Not violence but disrespect. Or a failure to provide good customer service and the like.

Back then a white guy might not give a shit about a Jewish guy. Or an German guy. Or Black. Or a Cuban. Mind you, all these people I speak of are American.

Utter bullshit.

In what way?

I'm not saying the government is not fucked up. It is. But the citizens aren't exactly "little miss innocents" either.

A lot of the nonsense from the government is driven from the nonsense of the citizen demanding the government do something.

I can say with complete honesty that my grandfather, who was alive fifty years ago, would have taken to the ground any person of authority who would breach someone's rights so blatantly. He was a man of honor, someone who believed in his God given rights.

Now, keep following that line of thought. I swear to God you're dancing around it but still missing the whole point.

J.

Oh, we've still got a long way to go, but what I'm talking about are your personal freedoms. Zombie stated (while still missing the point) that the government and the citizenry didn't pull stuff like this. We were a lot more aware of our own personal rights then. Now, it's just one more concession to stay "safe".

J.

Oh, I get it now. Hero worship!

You'll be damned if somebody is gonna tarnish the image of ya granddaddy.

And your grandfather would have had his ass kicked and then thrown in jail.

Why don't you just save us all the fucking trouble and post the point you are trying to make instead of trying to get me to do your job for you?

Don't go there.

J.

I don't get this at all. D'UH!! What the fuck are you trying to say.

WE are saying that NO, back 50 years ago people would NOT have stepped up to help the jerk being rousted by a security guard or whatever.

Don't bring him up if you don't want people taking shots then.

Your granddaddy would have stood his ass in line like everyone else.

You forgot to add, "-ya miserable fuck, you! "

That would have made that post Five Star!

What are you talking about? You didn't do anything but run in circles while I explained the point to you. My first post made it plain and simple; that we wouldn't have stood for that 50 years ago, and we wouldn't have. Don't get irate with me because you can't get the point without me spelling it out further, and don't go blaming me for your inability to grasp the point. That lies with you, not me. If you don't get something, ask, but don't act like you did me any favors.


J.

Nah. I'm working on cleaning up my language.

J.

Keep reading. You're talking past me.

J.

You guys are lucky J. Allen doesn't have a gun.

J. Allen, want to borrow an AR15? just kidding...

Don't go there.


J.

Dude. Your only proof is the tales of grand daddy. Gimme a break.

I know, but even if you did, I wouldn't know how to properly fire one, nor would I want to fire it anyway.


J.

There, since you won't do it for yourself, I'm happy to bat clean-up.

Fifty years ago, people would have uncritically accepted the government's action. We have a history in this country of questioning authority, but the 50s is an outlier in the other direction. The 50s was the era of McCarthy, and not a time when people would have accepted the suggestion that government wasn't out to earnestly protect us or liable to make mistakes in doing so.

I have more to base it on than simply my Grandfather, but you're fine to think whatever you wish so that you don't have to think about a different point of view.

J.