Universal Basic Income

Thomas Paine was for this.
The idea goes literally as far back to the birth of this country, if not further.
Which makes Glenn Beck's attempt to co-opt Paine really gross.

Oh, conservative assholes always glom on to progressive philosophers, because it makes them seem forward thinking, but all they're doing is co-opting liberation and attempting to turn it into favoring the status quo that has kept people chained up for generations. Glenn Beck's an ignorant piece of shit, anyway. He'll say "Goebbels said this," and "Goebbel's said that," and then do exactly what Joseph Goebbels would have done anyway while decrying the people Joseph Goebbels wanted to murder.

I am adamantly against a UBI, BI, TBI or any other sort of "pay out" to all or specific individuals. The economic system that currently exists all around the globe is so totally fucked up, the only way to fix it is to break it completely. and yea, I would not cry one bit about it. UBI, BI, TBI or anything else is a band aid for a system so fucked that people will kill to maintain it.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21528569/homeless-poverty-cash-transfer-canada-new-leaf-project

I remember when conservatives used to sneer at War on Poverty programs by saying that it would do more good to cut out the programs and give poor people the money. It makes one think that the real concern isn’t saving money, it’s the satisfaction of shitting on poor people.

Denver experimented with giving people $1,000 a month. It reduced homelessness and increased full-time employment, a study found.

https://x.com/ubi_works/status/1712540561662685272?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

Sorry, we sent it all to Ukraine and Israel.

Nah. We’ve got plenty of money to do this, we just lack the will.

Too many Aunt Alice's who see anything being done to help someone else as hurting them.

I knew Kim Pate about 30+ years ago... she's one of the people who inspired me to be in my field. Great to see her name on this as she has the credentials to make it real.

But who will think about the landlords!!! not too mention the banks and realtors...

https://x.com/ubi_works/status/1727834942074208369?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a3...amilies-a-basic-income-it-changed-their-lives

stop proving that UBI works!!!!

you'll make albert cry

Define "works". If all you mean is giving people free money means they'll have it to spend, sure. I would question whether it solved the underlying problems, and I'd still rather my money go to paying MY goddamn bills.

Either you missed or ignored the part where some of the recipients upscale their work skills or you’re just being an asshole. Which is it ?

both...

there's also the obvious points that them having it to spend means participating in local economies which in turn means economic growth and stability.

proper nutrition leading to less medical issues

lowered crime across the board...

but we've shown the evidence countless times from multiple pilot projects and a certain segment of dipshits somehow think it'll have a meaningful effect on their $550/wk take home.

Saying you question it means you care about the answer.

So let's establish that:

If a welfare program (UBI or whatever) is shown to have overall net positives in a purely economic sense, such as increasing overall tax revenue as much or more than is spent on it, reducing incarceration costs, etc, would you support it, or oppose it still on ideological grounds?

It would have to be 100% effective. That’s the only thing that would make a dent. None of that “greatest good for the greatest number” shit.

Ok, so what's the criteria for defining it's "100% effective"?

If poor people can better their situations as a result of being temporarily freed from soul-crushing poverty, it will be harder for you to continue believing that you're inherently morally superior to them.

Doesn't matter because he'd never admit it.

Both can be true, and I'm gonna need more than vague claims of training. Doesn't mean they got a job in that field, kept it, made more money and didn't squander it.

I would oppose seizing more of MY monet to fund it. Otherwise, knock yourself out.

we had it for two years in the form of CERB.

guess who got ahead on his rent, took certifications in a new field, and is since working in a profession?

UBI has been proven to take fewer public resources than continuing to allow folks to live in poverty... but as always, you know this and are just pulling shit out of your mouth.

it would cost you less unless you actually did have a Monet.

Sure. Yeah. And Obamacare was going to save me money AND let me keep any insurance I already had. Sell me another one.

Obamacare worked great for me. It must be your fault if it didn't work for you.

Your Monet: