Very special snowflakes: Pence's scheduled speech makes Notre Dame students "feel unsafe"

I don't think it's because he opposes it so much as that he may or may not have advocated using federal funds for Conversion therapy....which is where the "torture" that was mentioned earlier comes in.

Perhaps, perhaps not... in any case, it is well within their rights to protest as clients of the university.

There's quite the itemized list of things one pays for beyond an education... among them, commencement/graduation fees. They literally DID pay for the speaker. To be perfectly fair, they were also within their rights to expect the sitting PotUS, in the first year of his term, as has been tradition. Getting the most uninspiring VP since Mondale is fair grounds for complaint.

No one is saying that they can't protest.

The argument is over whether a tiny minority of the student body has the authority or the right to uninvite a speaker.

I have both an A.A and a B.A so yes I am VERY familiar with how the process works. Students have NEVER had a choice of who the speaker is. Least not when I attended. I'm pretty sure there were many college graduates the past eight years who weren't fans of Obama or Biden and had to endure them at their graduation. That's just the way it is.

Also once again we're talking a tiny minority of people having an issue with this. If the criteria for a speaker attending was that all one hundred percent of the student body agreed with you'd never be able to book one.

I highly doubt they would be more accepting of Trump.

You couldn't have paid me to go to my graduation ceremony. What a clusterfuck. They were talking about having to shuttle people in and having some people watch via satellite from another location. No. Did not sound enjoyable.

I didn't go to mine either.

It's not just any kind of 'conversion therapy', it's actual deliberate physical torture. And where the hell does the question of federal funds come in?

You seem to have a strangely high threshold for recognising threats in this one instance. It's almost as if you don't believe violence against gays to be quite as real as other crimes.

'Of course they can protest a serial rapist being honoured by their university if they like, but I'll roll my eyes at them if they do; after all, it isn't even certain he demanded federal funds to finance his rape.'

'Of course they can protest a KKK leader being honoured by their university if they like, but I'll roll my eyes at them if they do; after all, it isn't even certain he demanded federal funds to finance his lynchings.'

'Of course they can protest Putin being honoured by their university if they like, but I'll roll my eyes at them if they do; after all, it isn't even certain he demanded US funds to finance the execution of his opponents.'

I kinda think it says a lot that they didn't invite him at all...
I'm not so sure it's a "tiny minority" against Pence's appearance either. There's no real commentary suggesting how much steam this has picked up other than enough to make it worth mentioning.

What is Pence's brand of Protestantism, and what makes it immoral and evil?

His brand is socially conservative, and it's immoral and evil because it promotes bigotry and inequality under the law.

Yes. See: white males for the entire existence of our country.

If it is do unbearable to hear someone with another viewpoint speak... Yes. Of course, one would hope they were now mature adults capable of handling a few minutes of disagreeable speech but I guess that is too much to ask for these days.

Good point, that was redundant.

Please kill yourself. It is for the good of the world. If you must, you can tell yourself it is because you are white... Right before you pull the trigger.

Socially conservative is good. How does it promote bigotry or inequality under the law?

yeah yeah, "special snowflakes"

The right wing religious Pharisees (of whome Pence is a leading light) built a movement and many fortunes on "OMG the mean liberals are victimizing us poor defenseless Christians" and now it's cool to call whiny ass liberals snowflakes when they play the victim card.

Mind you, I don't really care if one mocks those that are on the opposite political side when they act a fool (or one THINKS they are acting a fol) - but leet's not affirm the delusion that right wingers never play the victim.

EVERY law like HB2 or the crap they replaced it with, or 1523 in MS, or SB6 in TX is specifically designed to enact or protect inequality. Every socially-conservative motivate piece of bullshit like that preacher-legislator in NC that wants to pass a law that says "Fuck the Supreme Court, same sex marriage is still illegal in NC" is designed to legislate inequality. Every time a city or state tries to pass a non-discrimination law and social conservative Traditionalist storm into the street telling abject lies about the people the proposed law is designed to protect, they are specifically and openly arguing for - lying in order to achive - the continuation of inequality.

There's an entire political/media industry built almost entirely on the proposition that equality for certain people is a bad thing, indeed it was born in the ashes of the anti-desgregation battle and that, too, was a "socially conservative" movement.
Hell, they defeated the ERA along the way too, in fact virtually very attempt to pass a law which states as it's purpose social and legal equality is fought bitterly by social conservatives and often they win.

Then, of course, they get up in the morning and insist they are the constant victims of persecution.

How did you luck out and get such a normal name??

How is trying to force people to live in a society that opposes their values not persecution?

Okay. What exactly is he advocating?

I provided a link.

No it's not. I'm just fairly sure that Pence isn't going to be doing any violence against gays during his speech.

I'm not rolling my eyes at them protesting. They can protest all they want. I'm rolling my eyes at the "him being here makes me afraid" foolishness.

That is a good start. He also is quite fascist in his views.

Wow.
Let's unpack this.

"Living in a society that opposes their values" means that they don't get to interfere in other people's sex lives, and tell them what they can and can't do in their bedrooms, doesn't it? And you consider this a use of "force" and "persecution" against the person who wants to do the interfering.

Fuck you.

You think you're being persecuted because more and more people are refusing to live by the tenants of your ridiculous fantasy book and yet have the gall to call anyone else a special snow flake.

Here's the treatment in question:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy

Pence's relationship to it is the standard Trump admin dog whistle affair -- support it once, then kinda leave it ambiguous, but avoid clearly distancing yourself from it so the extremists can keep considering you their champion:

http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-supported-gay-conversion-therapy/

No, you misunderstand. I know the story about the use of federal funds. I'm saying that when X is a despicable policy, someone's support of that policy needs to be condemned. Whether or not they also wanted to fund that policy with federal money doesn't come in at any point.

@Quest covered the rest in the post above.

This.

Individual rights isn't everything

What makes you think it was the founding principle of the United States?