Weird Flatmate Advice Needed

Those who are citizens have an exemption. Whether or not there should be welfare at all is the topic for a separate discussion.

Yep.

Yep.

Here are two alternatives:

1. Make social services far more difficult to get on and stay on.
2. Fine those who employ, house or provide social services to colonists $100,000 per infraction up to three, after which their business licenses and/or assorted other operating permits are revoked. No exceptions, regardless of the size of the organization responsible. That means if JPMorganChase has illegals doing their landscaping, they lose their ability to operate wherever they engage in illegal hiring.

They have an exemption, do they? You think being an American citizen gives you the right to leach off of me?

No, they pay far, far more than their share.

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1 is just a weaker version of mine, and 2 is retarded. Anyway, it's kinda aside from the point, since my ideology isn't hypocritical and you in no way addressed that point. Thanks for playing, Muffin.

It's not weaker. 1 is a compromise, because there are citizens who actually are disabled and who should be supported. At some point, it would be preferable to abolish social services entirely -- maybe if we had a government who wouldn't keep right on taking as much of our money after such an abolition -- but right now the economy is in the toilet because of this government, and private charities probably couldn't support those who need it. And explain on exactly what basis you have a problem with 2. Businesses employ and shelter colonists out of greed, not altruism. Turn their greed back on them and watch how fast they come to love following the law over breaking it.

Not on a dime extorted at the point of a gun. Let them fend for themselves; they'll find a way.

Businesses exist to turn a profit. They have absolutely no obligation to be altruistic.

Most hilarious misspelling of the day!

Hell, why not? Couch Boy does.

lol

He doesn't have the right to do it.

Keeping the bipolars and the delusional paranoiacs out of the kitchen and the garage is something Skin doesn't think you'd mind paying for, not to mention keeping the blind out from behind the wheels of trucks and buses.

Businesses aren't granted the privilege of endangering or disadvantaging Americans in the pursuit of profit, however.

Any more than Mexican colonists have the right to come here and degrade local economies by acting as a source of unfairly cheap labor.

And you'd be wrong.

Fucking leftist.

Abolish the minimum wage.

Next faux-issue?

Well, you let Skin know when you've accomplished that, Cupcake.

Wokeh then. We'll send them over to your place, along with the Mexican colonists. After all... you don't mind. Besides which, we come back to that analogy: You're renting that apartment -- you don't actually own it any more than the couch surfer does.

Let me know when you accomplish Naziland, Muffin. Any other attempts to prove my supposed hypocrisy?

It's not an apartment. And because I signed a lease, I have the right to possession.

Check the post just above yours. And, really? 'muffin'? Well, it stands to reason the best you can do is follow the leader.

Because 'Cupcake' was such a stroke of brilliant inspiration, right?

And because the American people follow the law and pay into the system, they have the right to possession. Listen, fella, you're just not going to shake the analogy. Know why? Because it's accurate, that's why. Yell and cry and whee in your britches all you want, won't change that.

Says the little follower kid.

No, they're not - no matter how many times you say it.

No sale until they submit to whatever immigration hoop-jumping we see fit to impose. Crossing the border is not a "right." It's a privilege, with many justifiable strings attached.

OK. I don't have the bandwidth right now to do more than skim the discussion, but another interesting point where Della plays the private property card is that it isn't like it is even his property. He is staying on someone else's property. The only difference between him and his couch surfer is that he is there legally.

FTFY.

:tantrum: Mexicans!!!

:tantrum: Deadbeats!

THAT I agree with.

Same thing.

Not by a longshot.

Explain how they're different. Or failing that, explain why you just want so bad for them to be different.

Give me 45 minutes (work stuff) and I'll get back to you.

Most people who are willing to make that trek (it's not easy) come here to work.

I've known people who come here from other Central and South American countries who have been sponsored by an American who quickly find that their life here is not as easy as it was there. Some continue to stay here after their visa runs out, others leave.

But, the ones who come here illegally - the ones who make the arduous trek, didn't have an easy life where they came from, and don't expect one here.