What are some of the most ignorant things you've dealt with since Orlando?

Because it may not be a mass shooting and it may scew the numbers.

475 is the TOTAL number killed in "mass shootings" in the U.S. in 2015, Which (warning, math in the Red Room) is about 3-4% of all the fatalities from murders in the U.S. in a given year.

That said El Chup, I don't know why the rest of the world is so different from the United States.

1) Why do you think the rest of the world is so different?

2) Why do you think that what happens in the rest of the world is replicable in the United States?

To me is seems like an "apples & oranges" comparison. To me it sounds like the comparison that IIRC Garamet loved to make

"If Denmark can have universal health care why can't the United States".

To me that is ridiculous. Warning, sports analogy that Americans love coming up.

It is like saying to the New England Patriots "this play really worked well for my 5th graders, it should really work well with you guys".

Assumption of risk. You go into an establishment serving unlimited amounts of alcohol you knowingly run the risk of potential irrational behavior by inebriated patrons.

Who is talking about banning guns? I never said anything about banning guns. That's a yet another straw man comment from you. It's funny how all you gun advocates always pretend that non-Americans must be advocating a complete ban, when that's not what I am saying at all. That's just as bullshitty as the spurious claim that people who do advocated a full ban think that it eradicates gun violence 100%. Furthermore, who is saying that no guns means no mass murder? Yet another straw man.

Many first world countries allow gun ownership but don't have the gun violence problem the US has, which is why I say it's about the American attitude towards guns rather than availability taken alone.

Now, here's some indisputable facts:-

1) Guns will always be available on the black market everywhere in the world

2) Because of (1) there is always a risk of a mass shooting

3) In spite of (1) & (2), mass shootings happen far less in the rest of the first world than they do in America. This is despite America not being only first world country where gun ownership is permitted and is relatively easy.

So what does that tell you? It tells me that America has a gun violence problem of an unparalleled degree and therefore it is surely worth exploring the possible reasons why. It also tells me that the gun culture of other first world nations is worth looking at.

What does it tell you? Or are you simply in denial that there is a difference between the US and the rest of the developed world?

Yes, and?

Surely it's worth asking the question then?

As I've said repeatedly, for me I think it's the cultural attitude towards guns - part of which you have even highlighted yourself today.

In the short term no. I think gun laws and regulation can only do a very limited amount. I believe the image of guns in the American psyche is not something that can be changed overnight. I think it would take generations to change, but I do think the first step towards that is to start having a conversation about what is clearly a uniquely American problem in the first world.

Why is it ridiculous? Are Americans really so different from Europeans in terms of their daily lives that Americans are simply incapable of moving the point of guns being such an important issue?

In my opinion yes.

And the rest of the questions in that post?

So why is every mass murderer not picking the squirrel gun to kill people then? Surely that one is a lot cheaper.

that's not the point. which one of these do you pussy liberals want to ban?

I eagerly wait your reply as to why we should ban the black one you racist bitch.

I'd say this post earns you no reply whatsoever. Don't you have a book to burn?

These are okay though.

If you have the money you can indeed buy a full auto AR-15 even in California as long as it was manufactured before the ban. The OP is wrong about that.

Answer me why mass murderers go for gun B first, cock gobbler.

Dumbest thing I've seen is from a reporter at the NY Daily News who wanted to see what it was like to fire an AR-15.

What is it like to fire an AR-15? It’s horrifying, menacing and very very loud

It feels like a bazooka — and sounds like a cannon.

One day after 49 people were killed in the Orlando shooting, I traveled to Philadelphia to better understand the firepower of military-style assault weapons and, hopefully, explain their appeal to gun lovers.

But mostly, I was just terrified.​

The reporter then talks about how he came to the gun shop and about the owner, and then then fun begins.

He loves the AR-15 for cops, soldiers, hunters and target shooters. “It’s fun to shoot something like that,” he said.

Not in my hands. I’ve shot pistols before, but never something like an AR-15. Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).

The recoil bruised my shoulder. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary case of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.

Even in semi-automatic mode, it is very simple to squeeze off two dozen rounds before you even know what has happened. In fully automatic mode, it doesn’t take any imagination to see dozens of bodies falling in front of your barrel.

All it takes is the will to do it.​

He totally beclowned himself.

If you get bruised from an AR-15 you need to see a doctor. If you have his psychological reactions you need to see a mental health professional. And he certainly needs to see a hearing specialist.

I'm thinking he dropped LSD before he went to the gun range.

It feels like a bazooka? Has he ever fired an actual hunting rifle? An AR-15 has about the lightest recoil of any military weapon you can fire. You can literally hold the rifle butt up to your groin
and fire it and barely feel it. I have never, ever had a soldier shoot one & complain about the recoil, and this includes females. And a bruise? Physiologically impossible unless five year old children are shooting them. And a deafening recoil? Even shooting them indoors it's not "holy shit" loud - and outdoors with earplugs you can fire them all day and it doesn't get above OSHA standards for being to loud. Damn this shit has to be made up, or designed for people who have never seen a gun in their life. Total nonsense!

Well, I'm trying to help the author by figuring out what conditions he may have. Bruising from the recoil of an AR-15 might indicate leukemia, cirrhosis, hemophilia, kidney failure, or a serious vitamin deficiency, including scurvy.

Isn't one of the selling points of the AR-15 (or at least the M-16) being the soft recoil allows you to fire more accurately while on the move or bouncing around in a vehicle?

You want massively powerful and injuring recoil try a 12 gauge shotgun. I remember about 20 years ago former Pittsburgh Steelers QB Terry Bradshaw (a rather big powerfully built man) had his shoulder dislocated when firing a 12 gauge shotgun.

The let to the jokes about "that's why the Steelers never used the shotgun formation".

I'd hate to see what he'd say if he fired a 300 Win Mag prone. His description is quite a bit worse than the way my coworkers describe shooting a McMillan .50 caliber sniper rifle.

If you're getting bruised from an AR-type rifle, you're holding it wrong.

Even after a full day of shooting a 12-gauge shotgun while hunting dove, my shoulder is almost never bruised.

Damn. How many times do you hit them?!!!

I shot a .338 bear rifle in Alaska - damn! Yes if you don't have almost any gun stock held tight, it could hurt. But for a beginner, an AR-15 is great because they may not yet have perfect form - but no show stopper of pain in they don't, really. Just a little bump like a small child punching your shoulder. Yeah, better get the doctor to check out that bazooka injury!
Anti-gun people eat up this misinformation like high-grade ice cream.

My 12 gauge bruised Amy's shoulder.

But not Annalee's. Annalee enjoys shooting a great deal. I might get here a rifle someday.

A great many of the people I let shoot my AR-15 now have their own. They're good guns: reliable, powerful enough, handy, and accurate. They're modular and customizable. They have virtually no recoil; a friend of mine, a very recoil shy lady in her mid-60s who has little gun experience, fires one easily. And they're fun as hell to shoot.

No, they're not unusually powerful: the .223 is a varmint-class round. Your typical .30-'06 deer rifle delivers a lot more energy to the target.

You can't "spray" with them. They're not machine guns. They're not even assault rifles, because they're semi-automatic, not fully automatic. Semi-autos have been available to shooters since their introduction, over 100 years ago.

Colt has been selling the AR-15 on the civilian market since 1963 (53 years). I've owned my first one (a genuine Colt, AR-15A2 Government Model) since 1988 and I have several others.

The AR-15 is the most popular firearm design on the market, with something like a million of them being sold in the last year alone. About 18% of Smith & Wesson's sales are in AR-15-type rifles.

They are excellent choices for home defense (because of the qualities I listed above).

The AR-15 is suitable for many types of hunting (anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying or ignorant), especially small game and varmints, and is very useful against predators like coyotes and nuisances like feral pigs. It has a less well-known big brother, the AR-10, which is mechanically very similar, but can be had in larger calibers (.308 Winchester, .260 Remington, .338 Federal, .300 WSM, etc.) with which you could take any game in North America.

I can put as many bullets on target with a typical handgun, and in pretty much the same amount of time, as I can with an AR-15. A rifle, like the AR-15, is suited for longer range shooting, but, at close range it won't kill you any deader than a .357 Magnum revolver will. Remember that the U.S. mass shooting that was the worst until Sunday was Virginia Tech, and the killer there had a couple of ordinary handguns.

It TOTALLY doesn't matter how fast you can make bullets come out of the thing. In mass shooting scenarios, the killer is usually able to take his time and go from victim to victim. They're trapped and have no means to resist.

I can fire 50 bullets from an AR-15 in 10-15 seconds with a magazine change. That does not mean I can fire 50 bullets ACCURATELY at 50 different targets in that time.

If your victims are trapped and unarmed and it's going to take the SWAT team three hours to move in, you might as well use a Brown Bess.

if that ever did happen I can imagine the anti-gunners saying "our founding fathers didn't mean these type of mass killing machines!" until they realized what they said. Maybe not, they have no sense or shame to speak of.

What's going on with your penis that you'd even want to do that conversion in the first place?