What Firearms Did the Norwegian Shooter Use?

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  1. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    I am shocked and dismayed at the tragedy in Norway. I have significant Norwegian heritage and am probably as fond of the nation as someone with Irish heritage would be of Ireland. Though I eat Lutefisk and Lefsa at Christmas, we have no holiday.

    Surprisingly, the best thread I've been able to find about the firearms used by Anders Behring Breivik has been at Democratic Underground. However, I find myself thinking they are inaccurate, since they state Anders Behring Breivik use a submachine gun in the attack. As a civilian, he would have had great difficulty obtaining such a weapon in Norway.

    My understanding of the nation's Gun Laws is that you are restricted to the following:

    • 1 Shotgun
    • 1 Rifle of each caliber
    • 1 Handgun of each caliber

    If you have a professional need, ie a professional hunter, you can one extra gun in each caliber.

    Of course, we know that Breivik set up a dummy company through which to buy the materials needed for explosives manufacturing. Who knows what else he may have done to game the system regarding firearms.

    The shooter supposedly wore a police uniform. I would imagine that he could have gotten this through the civilian market, but given the fact that he supposedly used a submachine gun and that Norwegian police carry MP5's (according to Elwood), it makes me wonder if he an accomplice inside the police force. Again, that is speculation.

    So, I'm curious about what weapons Anders used. If you know or have any links, please share.

    P.S. Socialists, Palestinians, Israelis, Brits, Syrians or Americans, when children are hurt by terrorists, it is always an unacceptable tragedy.

    P.P.S. - I wonder if, given first the 9/11 incidents in which compliance lead to the tower hits and now this even in which people were killed while 'playing dead' will finally cause folks worldwide to start training their offspring from an early age to strike back at evil to the greatest level of their ability, whether it be a playground bully or a lone gunman on a small island.
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    It's been happening a lot lately around the country but uniforms are a high theft target. This is one of the reasons I don't put anything, not even PBA stickers, on my car that could identify me as a officer and lead thieves back to my house.
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  3. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    It would seem to me that in a situation such as a prison it would be fairly easy to install some type of scanning device that would
    1. Scan some type of QR code (each uniform could have its own) and
    2. Match the QR code to its correct face.
    3. Alert the institution to incorrect matches.

    In public areas this is a problem, and it would not solve police impersonation problems, but I think it would nail down prison situations.
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    That's actually a good idea. Looks like you've got your second business idea. Get to work.

    And it's just not uniforms but equipment, guns and ammo being stolen too.
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    in my Aunt's neighborhood there's a cop who takes his cruiser home and he leaves his spare uniform hanging up in the window and an AR in the little between the seats weapon holder, debated with myself about seeing if he left it unlocked and if he did I would have emptied the mag of the AR
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    You should make a youtube video of yourself walking by and unlocking it.
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    SOP here in Augusta is cops are allowed take their cruisers home. My neighborhood has cops living on every street - Columbia County, Richmond County, GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigation) even Game Wardens from two counties away live here and take vehicles home

    Having said that, my son's friend has a cop living in his semi-ghetto apartment complex. He's moving out because his car got broken into and he lost some valuable items.

    Stealing cop cars is fairly common here. A cop jumps out of his car to chase someone or respond to an emergency, hood rats will jump in take the car for a joyride/take everything that isn't nailed down. We have fun.....
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    BTW the shooter could have used a muzzle-loader considering the response time...just sayin'
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    That isn't true in the slightest.
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    You're wrong. A well practiced shooter can easily fire off 3 shots per minute with a muzzle loader. I've done it and I don't even consider myself well practiced at loading live rounds.

    At 3 shots per minute with a 90 minute response time means he could have fired 270 shots.
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    A muzzle-loader would probably not have been sufficient. I'm sure someone would've realized that the shooter was vulnerable for 20-30 seconds between shots and charged him.

    The Norwegian shooter had the time, yes, but I don't think he would've had the opportunity.
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    Not to go all Red Room on your ass, but it's Europe, and many were kids.
    Not likely they encounter a whole lot of violence in their lives or instinctively know how to deal with it.
  13. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    I think there are a few things to consider:
    1. The delay from using a muzzle loading delay would have allowed people to run.
    2. The weapon would have been less accurate.
    3. Rapid followup head shots (he shot everyone in the head after shooting them) would not be possible with a muzzle loader.
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    What if the shooter had......wait for it.....a conveyor belt?
  15. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    He'd better have hoped it was set on low speed. :|