When satire sort of...isn't. Sort of.

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Marso, Mar 3, 2019.

  1. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    That line is re-drawn by the people every two years when they vote.
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  2. Marso

    Marso High speed, low drag.

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    You guys are hitting on the point. No one denies taxes are necessary to run a government. The question is, how much government do you want and how much wealth are you willing to take from the citizenry to have it?

    With the leftists, no matter how much is taken in taxes, they want more. MOAR!!! There's no end to it. The Green New Deal is the latest example- not only is it nonsensical, it can't be paid for if you took the whole GDP to try- but that's what the commies masquerading as 'democratic socialists' want.

    They won't stop until they find a way tax every breath except your last- because they already figured that last part out.
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  3. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Nice non answer.:dayton: It’s not like we don’t have documents written by the people who came up with the constitution to draw on and come up with a more precise and more reasonable answer.:jayzus: Government has no limits, so say Queef. How utterly stupid.
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  4. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Still waiting on someone, anyone, to provide an example of a society that managed to tax itself into prosperity.

    Yep. And once people figure out that they can vote themselves "free" goodies from the public purse, that's the end of responsible government. Even better once the legislators realize they can maintain themselves in office by providing more, ever more, "free" goodies to the masses.
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  5. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    ...If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
    If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
    If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
    If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet..
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  6. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    B-but @Federal Farmer claims anyone can be at least a millionaire if they just try hard enough. Then again, when I asked him why he wasn't the next Top Chef, he didn't answer. :shrug:
  7. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    I did answer, you just didn’t like the answer or wasn’t paying attention or both.
  8. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    The limits of government are defined by the constitution. The president could veto any tax he disapproves of. The supreme court could strike down any tax that falls outside of congress's constitutional mandate. And the people have the final say about who is elected to congress in the first place. Politics is a process. It's not about one person coming up with a perfect solution for everything.
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  9. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Yet when was the last time government was granted power and at a later time the people took that power back?
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You told me what I should do. You didn't answer for yourself. So if it's just about hard work, how come you don't have at least one eponymous restaurant by now, or maybe a line of canned goods and frozen foods? :bailey:

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  11. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Post #60. Besides, I never said you are guaranteed success. Just be because I become a chef,doesn’t mean I’m guaranteed a show on Food Network or a reality show or a brand of food or anything else. I happen to think I make the best pickles and I even have a whole idea about a pickling company I’d like to start and yes I’d like to be the next Clousen or Mt. Olive, but right now I don’t have the ways and means to start my own company. Even if I did, it doesn’t guarantee anything, but it also doesn’t mean it’s impossible to get rich from making pickles.
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  12. K.

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    No economic process is monocausal. But if you are asking about societies that grew prosperous when they increased taxes: That would be all prosperous and free Western nations, including your own.
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  13. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Post #60 implies the usual Horatio Alger "All you have to do is pull yourself up by your bootstraps" nonsense, but here you've modified your response, and I appreciate that. There is no guarantee that hard work = success, which is why denigrating poor people for "not working hard enough" is bullshit.

    But with this post^ you're making progress.

    And if you ever develop a bread-and-butter pickle to rival Mrs. Fanning's, I'll invest in your company. ;)
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  14. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Hey, I said the people get to vote, not that you'll always agree with their choices. :shrug: That said, promises of tax cuts and deregulation have been the driving force behind a couple of notable wave elections.
  15. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    I don’t like bread and butter, but I can try.
  16. matthunter

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    Oh, I ain't that old. But I see what you are, right enough.
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  17. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Yeah and the Republicans still managed to fuck it up. The couldn’t repeal Obamacare with both houses and the presidency.:reaganhithead:
  18. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    They're only called that because during the Depression people would put them in sandwiches in place of the meat and cheese they couldn't afford.

    Hell, I'll eat 'em right out of the jar:

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  19. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Yeah, that’s what my grandma told me, she’s the one who taught me how to pickle.
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  20. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    will she make it that far?
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    Because you're ignoring the Nordic countries like you always do? :?:
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  22. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    No, no, no. This is the part where he trots out "small, homogeneous [code word] population" and runs away. :yes:
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  23. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    there was that brief moment in America...
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  24. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    The last honest, moral Republican. :cry:
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  25. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    How is that showing up as quoting my post when it was spaceturkey?
  26. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    looking at the list of G 20 nations, a better question might be to provide an example of a country that maintained it's prosperity without likewise maintaining taxation?
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  27. Ten Lubak

    Ten Lubak Salty Dog

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    Actually capitalism is feeding more people than have ever been fed in the history of mankind :async:

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    Slaves were fed, too. Doesn’t mean it was a positive aspect of slavery.
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    Ten Lubak Salty Dog

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    What
  30. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    ^Common sense leaves Lubak unable to finish a sentence. Film at 11.
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