Which President Was Worse -- Lincoln or Obama?

Wrong! The reason Grant stopped the prisoner exchanges was because the Confederate soldiers were returning to military service and Grant didn't want to have to fight them again. He was fighting a war of attrition.

The US Colored troops were NOT treated as equals. They were paid less than white soldiers and were segregated into the US Colored Regiments. A white Union soldier was paid $13 a month and a black soldier was paid $10 IIRC, plus a uniform allowance was deducted from that. IIRC they only wound up getting paid about $7 after the uniform allowance.

The soldiers in the US Colored Regiments were not allowed to become officers. They were always commanded by white officers and those officers wound up there because they were in bad standing with the higher ups. They were in the dead end of their military careers.

In the Confederate army, black soldiers were integrated and fought alongside the white soldiers, and they received equal pay. Roughly 10% of the Confederate army was black.

Now, some of those massacres did occur, but that was because the white Union officers would send the US Colored troops in first as cannon fodder and the Confederates considered it unmanly and insulting. Sort of, "Don't send the blacks in here to fight us: be a man and come in here and fight us yourselves."

Black Dove is not one of my "henchmen". He's got his facts straight. You should listen to him.

 

Where is that wrong?

Some call it the War for Southern Independence. The official US name for it was the War of the Rebellion. I've always disagreed with that one because it wasn't a true rebellion: it was a secession. The South was not out to overthrow the Federal government.

It wasn't called the "Civil War" until the early 20th century.

 

I call it "The War Between the States"

 

Nice trick given that the first states seceded BEFORE Lincoln took office.

 

Complete and utter bullshit, and disproved a half dozen times on this board already.

 

After he was elected.

 

Nope! It's a documented fact. You must be a Kevin Levin fan. He's a hack.

 

You can't "disprove" a documented fact.

 

Wait. So a President-elect can have "economic policies" before being sworn in?

Damn my stupid public school Yankee education! None of that was covered.

I also didn't learn that black people were actually much happier as slaves.

 

Y'know how holocaust denial is wrong?
Like, not even a little bit, but all over?
Yeah, that way.

 

I don't know why anyone would be singing the praises of the south given that they managed to lose the war despite all those noble white men fighting for their homes and independence, assisted by the happy black soldiers who were so enthusiastic to save the homes of their "massahs".

I'm wondering also if black people were so happy in the south why millions moved from the south to the north in the decades after the Civil War. The largest emigration the United States ever saw.

 

A candidate campaigns on his proposed policies. Or should. Obama did, although his weren't much, neither were the Lincoln's, and apparently a lot of his supporters weren't listening to what he was saying.

In some states, blacks were able to sell themselves into slavery and did. A good friend of mine who is a CW researcher, and a Northerner by the way, recently told me of a black man in Virginia who sold himself into slavery. For doing chores, he was taken care of for life and even lived in the master's house.

 

Is someone here denying slavery as a fact?

Damn! I missed that post.

 

I'm not quibbling over the label, it's the "Lincoln started it", bit, you damned well know you rebels started it when you invaded Poland.

 

The South lost because they were outgunned, outmanned, and out-supplied. An under supplied army of 800,000 men is going to have a hard time against a well supplied army of 2,000,000 men.

You might try learning a little about Reconstruction. Heck! You might even try learning.

 

Poland invaded the North. Archie Bunker said so.

And he was a New Yorker.

 

...and God loved Lincoln more.

In fact, he loved him so much, he killed him, and trans-substantiated him into a billion pennies.

 

Yeah, the most worthless coin in our currency.

But then, why sing the praises of Scotland. They lost to the English. :scotland:

Just proves that the good guys don't always win.

 

They would have won it too if it weren't for those meddling time travellers stealing all their gold.

 

Conventional military wisdom has been for hundreds of years (and still is) that an attacking force needs a three to one numerical advantage in order to defeat a defending force.

If the south had 800,000 troops, then by the numbers you provided, a successful northern invasion and occupation should not have been possible.

Especially given that it is pretty much accepted that the South had far better generals and overall military leadership in the first half of the war.

 

By the formula you're giving, the North was only 400,000 men short of that 3:1 advantage.

 

Where's the 10% figure you threw out?

Let's see, most sources put the total number of Confederate soldiers somewhere around 1 million men over the course of the war.

So you should be able to find documented accounts of 100,000 black Confederate soldiers. Not impressed slaves working at the behest of their masters, but actual soldiers.

Don't worry. I'll wait.

Just like last time.

And the time before.

Your site doesn't scratch the surface of that number.

Full of shit.

Just like last time.

And the time before.

 

The Confederate army was about 800,000 men. Historians say there were 60,000 - 96,000 blacks who served, and one source I've read says possibly as many as 150,000 men.

You do the math. Even if it's in the Red Room.

I'll wait.

 

Oh, and feel free to walk up to an army cook and tell him he's not a soldier. Be sure to set up a cam and post the video on YouTube so we can all enjoy it.

I think I've posted links a gazillion times, but you choose to ignore the facts because it doesn't fit in your comfortable little view of history.

 

Economics. After the war, most of the jobs were up north. The South was devastated economically. The manufacturing jobs in the north paid better than the farming jobs in the South so many blacks went north for the same reason may Europeans came west.

If you learn to follow the money, you'll get your answers every time.

 

"There are at the present moment, many colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers but as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down . . . and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the federal government."
---Frederick Douglas

 

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It's amazing the South was able to hold out as long as they did. Chalk that up to inept northern leadership and superior southern generals. If any Union general had a brain in their head, the war would have been over in 1862.

 

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