Which Show Sucked More: ST:VOY or ST:Enterprise?

This also reminds me a lot of the tagline for "Aliens vs. Predators".

No matter who wins.

We lose.

Yet no arnings for all those who posted outside the Red Room with the "Tasvir terrorist" av.

Hmm...this brings up an interesting point. When you change your avatar, it changes it for all past posts. So if you use an avatar created solely to troll someone, they could still see it if they read your older posts.

So I just watched Endgame. Once again B&B wasted good potential. The 'what happens to the crew after they return' could have made a good follow-up series... then they had to ruin it with the time-travel BS and return it to the trainwreck of the main timeline. Also, Janeway talking to Janeway.

Star Trek: Voyager: AfterMash?

It was their attempt at copying AGT for VOY - just one more example of how they tried to make VOY into a TNG clone. Same thing with TATV.

I've got the Voyager Rewrite started. I really should keep going on it.

Just saw a bit of the TNG ep "The Nth Degree" I had forgotten about Lieutenant Barclay commenting that warp ten was a meaningless restriction. Then proving it by zipping the Enterprise all the way to Cytherian space.

Further adds to my point that Star Trek's internal mythos has no consistency.

If Warp 10 is a "meaningless restriction", then it's clearly not meant to be "infinity". So either the episodes where Warp 10 is called "infinity" are wrong, or the ones where Warp 10 is treated as a "technological hurdle" are wrong.

Pick one or the other and stick to it.

I'm guessing you're referring to the continuity of Trek in general and to the many writers who have contributed to the storyline over the years. I say give them a break, nothing sacred about Warp 10, at best it was an in-series PSA for the metric system and perhaps, for some, an introduction to asymptotes. There's no need to discount Warp 10+ episodes out of hand.

In the Star Trek universe physics adapt to the storyline. Though I have heard good things about transparent aluminum.

^Remember when Scotty looked at his reflection in the transparent aluminum and said, "Captain! There be whales here!"

Point of order: That was ordinary plexiglass. They traded the info on transparent aluminum for regular plexi--"The metallurgy alone could take years to work out!"

Now why they didn't just get regular aluminum is a question for another time.

How are you going to see the whale then?!

Scotty knows showmanship!

Uh, roughly speaking, regular aluminum:transparent aluminum::graphite:diamond. You can't just substitute aluminum for transparent aluminum.

There are lots of things in Trek that are difficult to rationalize. This is not one of them.

Aluminum actually is pretty strong for its weight, especially the thick slabs of it.

But you can substitute PLEXIGLASS for transparent aluminum?

I believe the relationship was 6" of plexi doing the job a 1" slab of transparent aluminum could do.

The point is, they claim regular aluminum wouldn't do, because somehow it's not up to snuff compared to plexiglass!

Well how are they supposed to know the whales are alive if they can't see through the barrier? What do you think they are, people from a future where there are magic handheld scanners to tell them these things?

For that matter, why a wall at all? You would think a Klingon combat vessel would have redundant systems, so any controls you might need to get at would have backups outside the cargo hold. You'd think they'd have a series of pressure doors that could act as airlocks if you absolutely did have to get into the cargo hold. And you'd think they'd have space suits that, in a pinch, could serve as diving gear.

But that would make the movie less fun.

For that matter, why is the smallest combat vessel the Klingons have fitted with a cargo hold big enough for two whales?

Normally holds a herd (pack? flock?) of live targs.

It is a testament to the suckitude of both shows that we've ditched them to talk about one of the movies from the 1980s.