White Feelings Matter

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  1. Captain X

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    I've lived on two different reservations. Do you have a point?

    :lol: Yes, rolling my eyes at a bigot is totally a "rabid tizzy." It says so much about the fantasy world that you live in for that to be the case, and helps to explain the doublethink you employ to excuse your own bigotry. :diacanu:
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    heh-yeah... keep trying with the "bigot" thing.

    it's about as valid as one black dude accusing another for calling him an Uncle Tom.
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    Which actually is valid. But since you're a bigot, naturally you don't see it that way. :diacanu:

    I could be a smart ass and point out that you're on the internet and could simply look this up on your own, but I suppose I could just say that he's a YouTube commentator from the UK.
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    Whatever you say, aunt Fiona.

    Don't you have a pipeline to support?

    And, you'll have to trust me on this, but NOBODY thinks you're a "smart" ass...
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    But I as a white man can't similarly call them idiots (or "wrong", or even "misguided") unless a black person says it first (I mean, I can, but I'd take quite a verbal and reputational thrashing). That's some SJW-y bullshit right there and why I'll never count myself among their number.
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    The issue isn't in calling them.idiots as a white guy so much as many white folks (not necessarily you) who have no idea why people may feel this way and just shrug it off. I'm talking about folks like Dayton and Oldfella.

    I do wish more black folks like explaining this, but given how so much of what is said falls on deaf ears in our society, I can't blame people for just jumping right into pitchforks.:clyde:
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    You know, I understand why the family I have on the Native side are racist against white people, but that doesn't mean I agree with it or think it's right.
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    What do you do with them? I am being serious here.

    I have a few racists in my family. They are not impolite. They act differently towards certain groups but are not directly disrespectful. However, once they get out of earshot it comes out, and I know they act on it. I do not know what to do with it because I have tried so many things. I have argued with them and shown them good in other people, and they accept it but they separate that good from that group of people. They don't separate angry criminals from other groups, but they will separate charitable and helpful people from those groups. In the case of the ones who are decent they might even be more forgiving and charitable to a point.

    A few years back I had a horrible fight with my German grandmother who recently passed. She had a neighbor who had a transgender kid and the neighbor openly allowed and supported their daughter (for the dummies ex son). Fps and the police were called on the house. They were accused of doing and selling drugs. None of the raids ever came up with anything. My grandmother is trying to tell me there is something wrong with them and the police have not found it yet. Her evidence is that the kid is considered their daughter and they are fighting for her in the local school and other activities. I looked at my grandmother and asked her if there was something wrong with her the police should check on because I am transgender. It really did not sink in that she was being prejudice in this area.

    I tried a number of ways to connect my grandmother's compassion and empathy to the plight of that family. I did not get through that fight. I would like to think something got through later, but I never revisited it. By the time I could have asked her more about it she was already deep into dementia so I just had to guess. I just have a hard time getting through the wall of prejudice, and when it cracks it seems it only lets a few people in.
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    Understanding something doesn't mean agreeing with it, either. :shrug:

    My dads side of the family wanted nothing to do with me when I was born because of my predominantly white mom, and I now have a darker complexion than half the that family. Yes, it's entirely stupid and I call out those racist ideas as I see them. I don't think you were around Mewa much, but he and I butted heads quite often for what I thought was hypocritical behavior of lambasting a Tasvir for his shtick and then calling folks crackers.
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    At the end of the day the word really has become nothing more than a meaningless snarl word. When everything is "racist" nothing is "racist". Blame the SJWs who constantly misused it and made it valueless. :shrug:
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    No.
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    It becomes like the boy who cried wolf. When dumb asses misuse it people stop giving a fuck. You should speak to the SJWs and see if you can get them to stop misusing it.
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    As little as possible. :bergman: No, really - the ones that are still alive (cousins mostly) have made it pretty clear they want nothing to do with me or my siblings, so I tend to avoid them as much as possible. The downside is I also have very limited interactions with the cool ones (mostly mom's siblings). The racists on my dad's side of the family have mostly succeeded in pulling their own heads out of their asses. Mostly. Don't have much to do with them either, though. Nice thing is that the paterfamilias has come to accept me, so there's that. He's actually really mellowed a lot out since I was a kid.
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    Huh? Racist feelings and RACISM are not the same.
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    The darkies need to stop shooting each other, raise their kids like humans, and go to work. The we can talk about how terrible the whitey's are. ;)
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    'Come on and shoot me. Shoot me with your love.'

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    Is that a sample of your gay erotic paperback writing you indulge in? :chris:Not that there's anything wrong with that!
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    Are you offering to buy a copy?

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    Or maybe I do understand (as much as I can) why you feel that way but I can't understand why black violent crime is way, way out of proportion with the black percentage of the population if things are improving for blacks compared to how bad things were fifty years ago. :huh: In other words when blacks were holy shit no doubt Jim Crowed and lynched and burned out of neighborhoods and etc.etc. they had it much worse than they do now, but didn't slaughter each other like they do now. Don't say "more guns" because according to the left evil white men have all the guns (gun culture) but we don't kill each other at even close to the same rate. My reasoning is wouldn't violent crime among blacks be worse in the past when they had the most desperate, oppressed, hopeless lives anyone could imagine? If things are slowly but surely improving for many blacks (equal employment opportunity, more blacks in higher education, more civil rights, freedom to live in safer areas, etc)
    then wouldn't violent crime decrease?

    Call me crazy/racist but is it possible that not having fathers in the homes is having a negative effect? :chris:I'm thinking if whites had so many kids being raised by single moms (we have some but not nearly as many) we might have the highest violent crime rate! :yes: I'm sure there is research to support my theory.
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    We need to be a part of that too. We have to stop enshrining racism in professionalism and reputation. In other words we have to stop telling non white people they have to fit into white standards in order to move forward in society. Really that is just an excuse to hate on them for being black anyway. They are never going to become white enough to be their own person. They know it will never be good enough, and why wood they want to be white anyway? Some may get white styles and appreciate things which fall under the white stereotype, but that shod just be those people being themselves because they like it and not because black things are seen as unpopular or wrong.

    For instance rap music. There is all this criticism about rap music. There is a negative view of people who listen to it to be hedonistic violent thugs. It is just music. It is what some people like. We have to stop judging people on that preference and saying they are bad because they like what is peddled as black music. I know plenty of white people who love rap. When we fight against rap we really are fighting against black because the media has associated it with black society. Because of that reputation and pidgeonholing groups like nwa as gangsters and not social commentary we take their message and keep it away from those who really need to hear it.

    You can apply this to other areas also. So called black slang was demonized as unprofessional and unwanted. Meanwhile you can have country slang making you unable to be understood and you are much better off than if you have a thick Hispanic accent or black accent. Comedians make jokes about how country slang has to be translated into English. If you are black and commit a small time crime like shoplifting you dress up in a suit and tie to go to court. I see them do that for traffic violations. White people go into small time court in ripped jeans and t-shirts. If you are seen as poor white trash many courts take sympathy on you. Overreacting for a lower charge means you have the money to pay a fine. Do not do that if you are black. Your stylish black casual clothing may be expensive and fine quality, but that just means you are a dealer unless you are in a suit and tie dressed like a white person.

    We have to let people be people. We have to recognize some of their fashion is a fuck you to the culture that has oppressed them. So what if a black person wears their pants around their thighs as long as they have some clean underwear covering their junk up? Why does it matter if their hat is on crooked or their tennis visor upside down? So what if they wear a giant clock on their chest? Some of that may be a fuck you to white tastes. Some of it may solidarity to modern black culture. Some of it may just be how they want to look. When I worry about it and judge them on it I miss out on who they are because it really doesn't harm me or is anything I have not seen. I have seen men's boxer shorts. I do not care if it is showing on the street, and it is a hell of a lot more cover than some south Florida skank in an anal floss bikini.

    White people have got to let other cultures be who they are. If you want a uniform for your employees then you get them a uniform and make them all wear it. See how long your white staff lasts in a career job when you tell them how to dress. I think you will find they are just as passed with you when you make decisions about their cultural attire as anyone else.
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    Yeah, I'd actually say there's something to this, but I believe the explanation for this has to do with entitlement programs which discouraged cohabitation in order to get access to that aid. It then became something of a self-perpetuating cycle as sons with absent fathers are more likely to become absent fathers themselves, find male role models in gangs, etc. The same could be said on Reservations, where such aid was dependent on blood quantum, which only added to the "thinning the blood" attitudes of some.
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    "You can apply this to other areas also. So called black slang was demonized as unprofessional and unwanted. Meanwhile you can have country slang making you unable to be understood and you are much better off than if you have a thick Hispanic accent or black accent. Comedians make jokes about how country slang has to be translated into English. If you are black and commit a small time crime like shoplifting you dress up in a suit and tie to go to court. I see them do that for traffic violations. White people go into small time court in ripped jeans and t-shirts. If you are seen as poor white trash many courts take sympathy on you. Overreacting for a lower charge means you have the money to pay a fine. Do not do that if you are black. Your stylish black casual clothing may be expensive and fine quality, but that just means you are a dealer unless you are in a suit and tie dressed like a white person."

    :huh: Maybe it's like this where you live - you go into court in ripped jeans for the same kind of crime a black guy wears a tie for (shoplifting was your example which you will be booked for - there is no " pay a fine" around here) and you will have your ass handed to you, white or black. Damn where do you cook up this crazy shit?
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    You think I have not been to court in GA? You would be wrong. Misdemeanor driving on a suspended license, and I only showed up after a warrant was issued for my arrest for not showing up. I was not alone in there being in jeans and a t-shirt. This is not the first time I have been to court either. I have been to courts all over the place, and I have always gotten some sympathy because I dressed as poor. I have sat through hours and days of other people dealing with courts and I have seen plenty of white people get reductions and dismissals while dressed in jeans and t-shirts or sweatshirts. You probably want to mix some workboots in there, but I have never seen a judge make any sort of complaints. Not even in Georgia.

    Unless you have worked in the courts I do not think you have as much experience as I do seeing as you probably do not have the record of violations and crimes I have. It is not something to be proud of, but I have been around the block. If you are a minority or a teen without their parents you dress. Otherwise you can get away with non offensive casual clothing up until a jury trial. A jury is a different thing than a judge and da.
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    Cry me a river. When people use accusations of racism as a cynical ploy to silence and/or destroy political opposition, don't be surprised when accusations of racism stop being taken seriously.

    What causes one person to call another person a racist? Easy. Stupidity. Laziness. Inability to argue the merits of a particular position. Just start hurling pejoratives.
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    What an odd response to a post which states feelings aren't the issue when it comes to racism. Just goes to show how locked in we are to the usual narratives.

    If you are really so moved by the pain endured by white people accused of racism, maybe you are the one who needs to go cry about it.
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