White Feelings Matter

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  1. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    OR, yanno, they could just be a racist.

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  2. The Flashlight

    The Flashlight Contributes nothing worthwhile Cunt Git

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    Your rambling post was nothing but incomprehensible gobbledygook, and the fact I legitimized it with a response is the real tragedy. :rolleyes:
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  3. The Flashlight

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    I haven't heard anyone deny there are genuine racists out there.

    But when everyone is, by default, a racist.....well, waters have been muddied a bit.
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  4. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm not surprised you have a mental block preventing you from grasping my argument, but it's really quite simple:

    - Racism is often framed as being a problem because of feelings, i.e. racism is bad because it makes people feel bad.

    - In the same vein, the bad feelings of white people accused of racism are evoked, suggesting an equivalency with the bad feelings of those who have been victimized by white racism.

    - None of those bad feelings are relevant to the issue, because racism is best viewed as a social problem, not a problem of individual feelings.
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  5. Tererune

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    The same old thing with your racism. You do not see it so it does not exist. It starts with things like stop and frisk and the school to prison pipeline. These things focus on black and Hispanic populations far more than white populations. Stop and Frisk is done far more heavily in minority areas. School kids in minorities are disciplined by the law far more often than white kids. There is a much harder crackdown and police presence in schools where minorities are the majority of the students. Due to this lopsided attention more minorities are caught doing illegal things than white people and kids who are doing the same things but do not get caught. You couple this with white kids in higher income areas having the resources and community influence to squash charges against them and intimidate school law enforcement and staff and what you end up with is more black people with records at an earlier age for crimes that would have been treated with parental and school punishment over a criminal record.

    It really does not matter if your father is there for a couple of reasons. First black fathers have less positions of wealth and power and have less friends in those positions to help out when their kids get in trouble. If you are a black father with no family wealth and savings to call upon you cannot get the lawyer that is going to keep your kid record free. Even the poor white kids I went to school with had parents of families who could get the money together or find lawyer to help keep their kid from gaining a criminal record. You do not get that sort of service from a public defender. If you have a public defender you gotta kick their ass to get attention because they are either lazy or they chose their battles because they have too many.

    All kids screw up and a lot of them do small illegal things. It does not matter if you have good or bad parents, it happens to both. That black dad could be there as much as possible for any father. They cannot be there all the time and the reality is the black child is more likely to be caught because more attention is given to them by law enforcement while white kids are often ignored more by law enforcement. Then the black kids are more likely to end up with jail time, fines they cannot pay, and a record they cannot get rid of during the years where you make your employment history base.

    Do not get me wrong, having a strong family that is there for you and backing you is a great thing and would help many minority children. But that strength comes from generations as immigrants have shown us. It also comes with an eventual easing of attention from law enforcement and community integration that is not happening with black families as much as it needs to. Without the community behind black fathers they will not be able to provide the benefits white fathers can.
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  6. The Flashlight

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    If I spoke fluent Retard, I'm sure I would have no trouble grasping your logic.... :rolleyes:

    Translation - "I don't give a shit about people falsely accused of racism, because I believe all white people are born racist by virtue of their skin pigmentation, and their racism is cemented by growing up in a world of White Privilege. The very real consequences to someone's life of being falsely accused of racism, including loss of employment, damage to career, destruction of personal & professional reputation are meaningless to me. They deserved it because they're White." :rolleyes: :dayton:
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  7. Quincunx

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    On the one hand you say accusations of racism have lost their teeth, on the other you say they're life-destroying. Which is it? :mystery:

    My actual opinion is that accusing individuals of racism is usually an unneeded distraction. Since racism is woven into the very fabric of our society, a racist outcome can occur even if nobody involved in the interaction had racist intentions.
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  8. The Flashlight

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    What I actually said is that false allegations of racism, much like false rape allegations, make it harder to accept legitimate examples of racism. If you want people to take you seriously when you cry racism, encourage your friends to refrain from using that allegation frivolously.

    :lol: Are you for real?

    Care to provide any specific examples of this alleged baked-in systemic racism? :rolleyes:
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  9. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    I thought you'd never ask. :) Here's an article I just unearthed from the Chicken Coop Archive.

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  10. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    How the hell is preschool suspension a thing? :wtf:
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  11. Steal Your Face

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    Right.
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    You have no idea. I was nannying for a friend of mine and was picking up the kids at preschool and one of my kids had another child try to take their blanket and in the tug of war their bodies made contact and she had a small red mark. I had to sign four forms and go through twenty minutes of this is what this one said and what that one said and I confirmed I was informed. Then I saw the pile the other child's parent had to sign and go over. There was a stack of them. So I asked if the other child did this a lot and the teacher told me that pile was for this incident and they would work with the parent and confirm they spoke to the child. If that child kept doing things like this they had some sort of offense list which I guess went up to kicking them out. Some preschools take that thing seriously. I filled out more incident reports over that than I have ever had to fill out with police.

    I asked the woman I worked for and my mother who was director of a nursery school in ny for over thirty years if this was just that school and it has evidently become a thing. My mother said it happened over time as a cya thing for the schools. The poor kids. A little tug of war is to be expected at that age and a red mark is not even a bruise. How the hell can you sit the kids down and teach them to stop when you are filling out more cya paperwork than a hospital.

    In the end it seems like a method to document problem children and push them off to a problem child school. The teachers who want to work with the kids get hammered because they do not do all the paperwork, and therapy ones can bury their heads in paperwork so they do not have to do the hard work of dealing with kids.
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  13. Spaceturkey

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    Meh... I always feltMewa was being intentionally archaic with "cracker". If he'd been out for blood he coulda ramped it up to "honkies" or something. It was kind of like when my mother once said "calling a spade a spade" to my Jamaican youth worker (who was about 20 years her junior); so out of date as to be quaint banter. The worker didn't really catch it, but mom was mortified (or, guilty conscience... i dunno, she was a shitty human being).
  14. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    to get Black kids "permanent records" started as soon as possible, DUH!
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  15. The Flashlight

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    *Yawn*

    Rehashed SJW propaganda.

    You begin with the assumption that institutionalized racism is at the core of all these alleged statistical discrepancies (and that's if you take these studies at face value without ever questioning their methodologies). Once you've got your pre-determined conclusion, interpreting everything through that lens becomes simple (and simplistic).
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  16. Quincunx

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    There's no assumption. There's no "core." That's racism. That's what it is.

    Do I think preschool teachers are maniacal racists? Of course not. Preschool teachers are probably among the people least likely to openly espouse racist views. But preschool age children are still affected by racism even if racist feelings are absent in the adults who care for them.
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  17. mburtonk

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    When you write stuff like this, are you calling all on the left "regressive" as a joke, or are you splitting up the left into "progressive" and "regressive"?
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    It seems pretty clear it is the later.
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    I haven't been around much, I didn't know if he had ever explained it.
  20. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    It's his way of accusing all liberals of taking the country backwards.
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  21. The Flashlight

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    And you proceed to prove my point. :jayzus:

    You've already decided that the explanation for all those statistics is institutionalized racism. Alternative explanations for why different groups of pre-school age children have different rates of disciplinary actions would roll off you like water from a duck's back.

    Taking just this one example of school age children and alleged differing rates of suspensions, perhaps the explanation is that some groups of kids have higher rates of severe emotional & behavioral problems, and are therefore more disruptive in the classroom. Higher rates of disruptive behavior -----> higher rates of disciplinary action.

    Of course, your explanation for all this will always cycle back around to racism, because that's the agenda you want to push. What, are you a paid consultant for your local NAACP?

    Here's the unfortunate effect people like you have, again looking at this one example. Teacher has a ethnic minority kid in class who's disruptive and uncontrollable. Teacher knows there will be no support from administration, because the admins are terrified of parents who will scream "racism" if any disciplinary action is taking against their little darling. Parents may even bring in some SJW activist from the community who will threaten to escalate things by getting the local media involved. So the teacher is forced to keep this kid in class despite the behavior, because all the admins care about is avoiding controversy and lawsuits, and will throw the teacher under the bus to save their own skins in a heartbeat.
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  22. Lt. Mewa

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    Have kids and you will find out. Bullying and inappropriate touching start at a young age.
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  23. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Well I know that...I just figured they just pull a disciplinary card and sit in the corner for ten minutes like I did back in the day. :shrug:
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    You speak from experience?
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    I haven't been here in a while but did you have a major head trauma while I was away? :shrug:
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  26. Dayton Kitchens

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    Liberal wordforge default.

    Personal attack.

    Good consistency there.
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  27. Lt. Mewa

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    I may be wrong but I got the impression that you were trying to be humorous and were accusing me of being a former pre-school bully with your speak from experience comment.

    D'uh!!! You remain the classic straight man. :jayzus:

    So yes, the experience is from some one bothering my kid and me getting the culprit suspended since talking to him didn't help.
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    Why did you use official channels to assist your kid?
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  29. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Because he could use the system the way you did at TBBS?
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  30. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    classic Rightforge.
    passive aggressive insult, get it tossed back, cry about it.

    You really are a cowardly little Bozo, aren't you Datin'tree?

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