Why is Seattle such a shithole?

As evidenced by the video only Seattle and San Francisco are suffering the worst.

So even other liberal cities are not that bad as those two cities.

If you had bothered to watch the video they used Federal stats to rank the largest 20 cities in America. The two worst, by wide margins, were SF followed by Seattle.

A long time ago, way before you got here, we had two notorious potheads: one who was great at telemarketing and the other who was one of one men I've ever met who was awarded full custody of his kid at 19 years old...and other than some embarrassingly bad flirting that he stupidly posted online,he was a functioning human being in life. And I've met way, way more hippie white kids into cannabis than black folks. Was mostly the yuppies in SF that got Prop 64 passed in 2016.

People bash on homeless drug users because they're easy targets.

funny thing though.. the well off pay pretty well for the shit hole experience.
we had a party the other week for a local culture brewery. 70ish people, one toilet. Line backed up because people keep going in there to do a leeno off of the toilet seat.
I made about $400 in five hours though, so it makes me little difference.

Had to pull out the nax kit for the first time in months though... If it didn't mean having to serve straws, I think I'd start putting lids on the mixed drinks.

Having rewatched the video just now my first reaction is... How can you be so stupid? Seriously, there is something wrong with someone making such poor arguments. 1) That guy was on screen less than 20 seconds out of more than 1 hour. 2) No one claimed he was homeless; that is just a lie someone Anc quoted made up. 3) His behavior on the streets was what was shown; I.E. drugged out of his mind, falling over, and having shit himself while laying on a sidewalk. Across the street was another addict who was in the same condition (couldn't walk, staggered and wobbled, also shit himself).

So you are so completely off base I don't even know where to begin. I can only guess you never watched it and ignorantly do not know what you are talking about (much like Anc).

"Bashing"? What a clueless statement. People don't want the garbage, crime, and disease in their area. They want to feel safe, they pay a hell of a lot in taxes, and demanding good governance simply is not "bashing" anyone.

People bash homeless drug users because they're disgusting

Yeah. Anna thinks she's showing compassion for the homeless but she's not.

There is nothing compassionate about letting people destroy themselves on the streets of Seattle. I did say Seattle should try to do what Rhode Island is doing to help those who are homeless and addicted to drugs. I could have specified a little better that it was the drug dealers who use Seattle's laws to their advantage that should be the ones going to jail but .

The camps are not acceptable. There is no compassion in letting people suffer in those camps.

The retired officer was right when he said that Seattle is basically a concentration camp without the barbed wire and running an experiment of poisoning people with drugs.

But enough about @Tererun .

Seattle is a bum filled toilet. I see it every day.

Seattle is a toilet for the same reason all major American cities are toilets - the Supreme Court ruled a long time ago that homeless street bums have a right to roam the streets and can't be forcibly relocated or institutionalized. So the cities are filled with alcoholics, drug addicts, and the mentally ill. When we as a society decide it's better to relocate those who can't make rational decisions for themselves to facilities where they can receive help (and keep them there by force of law until they're better) instead of allowing them to poop in the streets and sleep in alleys, then cities like Seattle may improve. Hasn't Seattle long been the "homeless street youth" capital of the U.S.? Round them up and draft them into the Army, maybe it'll teach them some discipline and work ethic. Stop enabling homelessness by providing free food and shelter, and the homeless problem will disappear very quickly.

Of course, any city that welcomes trash like Ancalagon who thinks the city is a great place because "Christians are irrelevant" is ultimately doomed.

I don't think the Army want's them. Send them to the Air Force.

No, you don’t want them sitting in chairs, you want them to be active.

Everything except the last part. Interestingly enough, most religions are irrelevant in Seattle, not a great deal of religious folk.

Finally some good fucking honesty

They don't hide their crippling drug use like proper men and ladies!

Don't we not infrequently tell people they can do what they want....in the privacy of their own homes?

You want to be a falling down alcoholic, do it in your own home. Out of sight and off the road.

You want to be a disgusting drug addict, do in your own home. Out of sight and off the road.

Want to engage in the most disgusting of sexual inclinations. As long as its out of sight and doesn't involve minors, if you're in your own home who is going to care.

Story starts at 18:30.

Yeah, I think DS9 had an episode about that.

That fellow is from the Hoover Institute so he is a conservative but I found his speech to be very interesting and although he is talking about California he could just as easily be talking about Seattle.

That looks like Seattle though the homeless in the picture are cleaner and better dressed.

A very good clip by Reason (and I rarely say such things about Reason) asking if it is time to bring back state run mental institutions.

The thing is, there were legit reasons for closing them to begin with, and while the premise of the video seems to be it was because "mental illness isn't actually an illness," it had more to do with the abuses that took place there, and because of the practice of lobotomy, which the video does actually go into briefly. That combined with abuse of power led to things like Joseph Kennedy having a perfectly healthy daughter of his lobotomized, basically because he didn't approve of her lifestyle, and was worried it would threaten the political aspirations of his sons. It should be noted he didn't even tell her mother about his intention to do so until after the procedure was done.

Huh. I thing I just saw.a pig flying overhead after reading this, cuz I agree.

Even apart from the abuse going on in such places, our understanding of mental health has changed in the last forty years so that we need to lock up fewer and fewer people in asylums even if such a thing were to be passed. Even for schitzophrenia, I've heard smartphone technology being used by them when they see shit they know to be crazy--theyll take a photo and check to make sure it's an hallutination.

The whole fantasy of Dinner's for a looney bin to lock The Poor and the Clinical(tm) is a pipe dream at best and a bigger waste of money than a border wall

oh damn there is great horror/science fiction story in the making right there with taking pictures to see if something is real!

100 people with 3600 court cases. Fuck. We we really do need to bring the mental institutions back. Give them oversight up the wazoo to prevent "experiments" and everything should be fine.

Amen. Anna can keep trying to hand wave it away but just 100 homeless addicts in Seattle have racked up 3600 criminal cases by themselves and then she says these people don't need institutional care? Hell, they won't even charge them for crimes that are on the books so that isn't working and just letting the roam the streets in q crazy drugged out haze sure as hell isn't working either.

This is insanity. Decriminalizing hard drugs under X amount has been a complete failure as the X qmount is about 25 doses so dealers just make sure that is all they have on them at any given time. This why drug use has exploded and the city is full of drug zombies strung out on heroin. The needle exchanges are also a failure because they are not really exchanging and instead are just giving out needles so that public spaces are being buried in used drug needles making public spaces unsafe.

There needs to be both a carrot and a stick. There is no stick in Seattle and that is why they have an anything goes atmosphere for drugged out criminals.

I think there should be a way to remove people from society who can be shown to be a danger to it because of their mental illness, but there needs to be some method of due process there to ensure there aren't any cases of abuse.

There's parts of Seattle that are awesome - Capitol Hill is great and if you walk down the other side of the hill you hit Lake Washington, which is awesome in the summer

Downtown is a bit meh, tons of homeless, but you can't beat gameday down by Century Link Field when the Seahawks play, tons of fun

Last time I was walking downtown, some skid on the street asked me if I wanted to buy weed and I was like "dude, it's legal and I can literally walk into a shop and buy something that's probably a million times better than the skag you're offering"

Bald Eagles, Symbol of America, Are Dumping Trash on the Seattle Suburbs

Maybe Seattle needs to take care of its fucking trash.