Wouldn't It Be Cool in the Star Trek Movie in 2015...

It ties in quite nicely with time being described as "having currents and eddies", in "tomorrow is yesterday".

Heathen.

The specifics of the timeline change, yeah.
Stop broad brushing.
I acknowledge the film has flaws, but ones I can live with.

Let's cut the BS on where the Rommies went for 20+ years. We know that they were on a klingon prison planet. The scenexs were shot and cut and will be shoe horned into an eventual Directors cut.
The escape is easy enough to figure out if Rura Penthe is gonna blow up on it's own in 40 years. ON good natural dissater and they escape... done.

As for the coming together, I really don't mind that Kirk and Scotty meet like that, and old Spock? Yeah, reality trying to heal itself works. Except when he does the homage to ST:IV with "You haven't discovered it yet". Didn't he learn anything from "APotA"?

Who said anything about the Romulans?

It's not fate, it's love. Their love transcends parallel universes.

Only if you stop backpedaling first. :garmet:

And frankly I don't care if you like a particular movie or not. After all, it's just an opinion.

And now the plot hole becomes why the Klingons not only didn't haul that giant ship full of advanced future technology away to some secret location to tear it apart and lean its secrets, but left it within ready access to its original crew for when they make their stunning escape. I'm not seeing any improvement there.

Yeah, the will of the force is a totally valid explanation for anything, just ask the people who defend the Prequels.

Future guy and the TCW are still canon, maybe He's pulling the strings?

Riiiight.....

Has anyone said "Q did it" yet?

Except that Rura Penthe didn't blow up. Praxis did.

That's the "implied destiny" thing I was talking about before.

It means that, no matter how radically different a parallel universe (e.g., the Mirror universe, the altered timeline in AbramsTrek), certain elements from the "proper" universe will be preserved. How else but "destiny" can you explain that, in a universe where all human history is as different as it is in the Mirror Universe, there is STILL a starship Enterprise, still commanded by James Kirk, still with Spock as the first officer, etc. Of course, such is necessary to have the "evil twin" setup.

But it's a cheat, a violation of the laws of probability, and it makes some people out to be crucial to the march of history, while others don't matter at all.

That's one thing that always bugged me a little bit about First Contact. We know Cochrane is historically important, and we find out Lilly is, too, though we've never heard of her (which is fine; can you name Lindbergh's mechanic?). But what about all those dead people in Cochrane's launch center? Are we to believe that NONE of them mattered to history at all?

Apparently not. Those people, all the things they would've done, any children they would've had, any decisions they would've made...completely without impact to history three hundred years down the road. None of them wrote the definitive "I was there" account of Cochrane's flight, none of them got propelled to higher level jobs because they worked with Cochrane, none of them went on to contribute further to human spaceflight, and, oh yes, none of them interacted the Vulcans who visited a day later.

Unlikely, but you go with it because it's how time travel stories MUST operate. If they were realistic, the timeline after the time traveller's intervention would be radically different. Even the slightest change would snowball into huge differences over time.

Unless of course the time traveller was SUPPOSED to be there to fulfill history, the so-called pre-destination paradox. But let's not go there...

How about that wino that got vaporized by Mcoy's phaser in "city.."?

That always bugged me.

I bet that butterflied out to World War 3 happening or not...

Actually I read that during World War II that wino cleaned up his act and became a preacher and then later in life led a crusade against genetic enhancement of humans which prevented the Eugenics War and later WWIII. His death paved the way for Khan and all who followed and eventually WWIII.



(I actually didn't read that anywhere. Just made it up.)

In fact, generations later one of their descendants was supposed to command the USS Voyager and would have successfully captured a Maquis ship. However, since that person's great-great-great-great-etc. grandfather died, he was never born and we got stuck with Janeway.

That's right, the Borg are literally to blame for Janeway getting her own TV show.