Can I troll people with their personal information now?

The second option works does it?

So what are people going to call me, Dan Leach, Chris, etc?

Honey? Or else by your usernames, without pointing out that they're RL names.

So if I say changed my username, no-one would be allowed to refer to me as Bailey anymore?

It may sound pedantic but you can guarantee these are the sorts of questions people will have and try to exploit with any rule you produce.

Not while pointing out it is your RL name, just as before. But no problem if they use it as your established alias, just as before.

Yes, this is true of any rule. However, I don't think you can come up with a way to exploit the rule I suggested in a way that allows you to troll other members with RL information. The current rule can be used to do just that. And since the intention of the rule is to avoid exactly that, a rule that *does* avoid it seems better than one that encourages trolls to find a loophole.

Of course, the other alternative is to do drop that intention and do without a rule, and as I said, I'd much prefer that.

I wouldn't call that 'complaining', per se. More like ... civil disobedience.

I'm also not sure what the hold up is. Is there something debatable here?

Vague and complex rule? Are you serious? Once again, stated as simply as I can state it, the rule is: If you didn't post your personal information here on Wordforge your own self, it's off-limits. Period. End of line.

I was offline all day yesterday cuz I was sick. Discussion in the Shelter moved forward without me, tho. PMs have been sent. I'm waiting to hear back from the involved parties. I'll post more details when that's happened.

Hey. I'm just sayin'. If the Doc wants to troll people with personal information and he thinks he's not getting any satisfaction here, he could go over to TK. It would signify his disapproval AND he'd be free to troll with personal information. Three birds with one stone.

Yes, very much so.

As noted above, that does not fit the actual implementation in several cases. But perhaps they were all before your time as owner; I'm not sure. If so, perhaps you're saying that the rule will be as simple as that in the future, even if it wasn't before?

This is why I agree with Packard that the rule should be thrown out.

The rules should be rewritten. Here is a working template I'd like to see:

There. It covers all your bases. If someone wants to post a page from some guy's blog showing him in pictures of drag, kissing another man as a major "gotcha" moment, they are all free to do so, and we can all have a good laugh. If someone else posts information and says "I know where you live, you'd better watch out", the user can contact the police and Wordforge is free to release the IP addresses and activity of the stalker to assist in any investigation of the incident.

I hope you guys will seriously consider this, as the rules right now don't make a whole lot of sense, even if they are applied consistently. If someone digs around the internet, and finds information about, say, Enterpriser, we are free to post that information and have a good laugh. But if it happens to be a member here, then that is a no-no. Yet we are free to circumvent these rules by posting the information at TK then going *wink wink, nudge nudge* hey, let's all visit TK. If it was posted at Big Blue, it is not OK to repost it here, even if Big Blue is as public as you can get. Wordforge tries to operate like some remote island in the sea of the internet.

Oh, and let the two dingbats Cass and garamet back in.

Ok, I think Scorponok just pointed out the best middle road between my two suggestions above. I withdraw them and support his version now, which I am sure makes all the difference given we're not having a vote.

It's never been that the rule was difficult, it's that its application has been random and incnosistent. Some people get banned instantly. Some get warned. Some get nothing.

Some bans last for 3 days. Some for weeks, months, years, forever(?). Sometimes people have to beg to be let back in. Sometimes people are just let back in. Some get one chance. Some get three. Some are made admins of eliteforge and get hundreds of chances.

Change the rule if you must, but until eliteforge is ready to be consistent, I doubt it will do any good.

The loophole in that is enormous, and easy to exploit. You find out something about someone, post it at TK, from there on it is "on the internet and therefore public domain" and can be used here.

No, no way there could be any problems with that approach...

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Seems unnecessarily complicated. If someone really wnats to use TK to harass people in RL, why not post their private details, slander etc. right there? And has there ever been any way for WF to stop that from happening?

How did hypothetical person find hypothetical information anyway?

Just go with a nice, simple "Don't be a major asshole." rule to catch everything.

1) Don't be a major asshole. Major assholes will be banned after a ruling of asshole-ism, which will not be subject to appeal or debate, is handed down from the owner. This excludes the more mundane heated discussion and flaming in the Red Room, except at the discretion of the owner.

Let 'em troll at TK. So few people read them it's irrelevent. I never invite friends to join TK, or read about me over there. I do invite them here.

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I told her in a PM. I figured it was safe, since she was Elwoods right hand.

What I'm saying is it would be fine to post it even on Wordforge. If someone finds a link to your blog and posts pictures of it here, we can all have a good laugh, but you are free to contact the authorities if someone else posts "That Async is an evil man, I will go shave his evil beard" and you are worried that someone really will follow up.

In that case, have the authorities contact Wordforge, and O2C or Lanzman will release all the relevant info to help them track down the rouge beard shaver.

That way, it takes the management of who said, he said, she said clusterfuck away from the mods and admins of Wordforge, and puts it directly in the legal realm - where things like this really should belong anyways - if there is any malicious wrongdoing.

My point exactly. The rule on WF will never be able to protect people from bad things happening to them in other corners of the internet. The aim should be not to have WF turned into the kind of place defined by RL harassment.

You know, you can always ask [-]Elwood [/-]Lanzman to lock your account if you're so eager to leave.

That is why I'm proposing RL harassment instances go DIRECTLY to the authorities if the victim requests it. Wordforge releases the info to the police, regarding what happened, and then does not touch it with a ten foot pole.

Maybe, but it also shouldn't be defined by cowardly fucking trolls and the tedious "BBS lawyers" who back them up. What's needed is a straight line from "You are clearly only doing this to provoke negative attention and start a shitstorm" to "we choose not to tolerate your existence. Bye bye."

And really, these little "gotcha" moments - someone posting the real first name of 14thDoc and/or Jamey really don't hurt anyone. Especially if said information is already out there. It's the stalker instances of Ted and female members, Mewa and Jaybird, Mewa and Apostle, etc. that are the more troubling kind. For those, I think it's a better idea to let the authorities handle it anyways.

Like fuck it doesn't.

Everyone already knows what city I live in, how old I am.... throw in my first name, I get much easier to find through things like Facebook. I do not want the fucks that troll me here having access to my friends and family, to say nothing of them being able to contact my employer anonymously.

Remember when someone contacted Daytons employer? Did we ever find out who did that?

Yep. Those instances were basically just created by the confusion over the RL info rule.

I heard it was Henryhill.

It wasn't Dayton's employer who was contacted, it was Squiggy's.

I have to question the motivations of anyone who recoils in mortal terror at the prospect of anyone on the internet tracking them down. I mean, it's one thing if you're a target of sexual predators or something, but if all you want is to provoke people without ever facing consequences, then fuck you. Fuck you in your cowardly pussy ASS..

I don't know about that. I haven't said or done anything to provoke anyone here or at the other board, but you can bet your ass there is at least one person here that I'd be a little worried if s/he got my information.