Global Warming: Last Chance to Repent!

Gee, except the independent review was conducted by non interest parties. Sure, keep doing the same old song and dance but that doesn't mean you don't look any less retarded.

 

I'm pretty comfortable with letting my fellow board members decide just who looks retarded in this particular discussion. Are you?

 

LOL, oh look, a global warming alarmist is ignoring facts that aren't comfortable to his world view.

What are the odds?

 

I think it's well established that the alarmists pick and choose which peers they'll share their data with so selectively as to be "peer reviewed" in name only.

Peer review is about opening research to challenge -- not about restricting it to sympathizers. And that is clearly, clearly not happening in the case of AGW.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

I'm not saying that the models are right, but global temperatures are rising, and ice caps are melting off. These are facts. Whether or not it is attributable to humans is an important question, and researching what is causing it and what can be done about it should be on the forefront of our political policy from both sides of the aisle.

There are people on this board who scream and throw a fit every five minutes about the deficit because of what it'll do to our future generations, but governments come and go. We have one planet to live on, and are no where close to getting off of it, so it'd be nice if for once we could see those same people making the same call for responsibility.

 

First off, you saying it enough times does not qualify it as a "fact". Second, even if it IS a fact, so what? Ice caps have melted before. Temperatures have risen before. Once, if the Discovery Channel is to be believed, the entire planet was covered by ice and all life was almost wiped out. This was at least a couple hundred years before the human race existed--possibly more . So to think that 1) this particular moment in earth's history should be frozen as the static baseline for what the climate should be and 2) that by adjusting the amount of carbon dioxide we produce we'll be able to actually DO that is arrogant and naive. It is like the 2 year old with a toy steering wheel, thinking he is driving the car.

 

Global temperatures have always risen and fallen. To think that humans are the culprits is naive, if not completely stupid. Funny how the people who are most likely to claim humans are at fault are the "intellectual" types.

 

Yeah. It's funny, that.

I think it might tell you something.

 

It tells me quite a bit. As do you. You are apparently a character lacking asshole who makes idle threats. Didn't you say you were through with me? Usually that means you will no longer bother with posts by a person when you make that type of claim.

Oh now go fuck yourself Dick.

 

Yet, we really do not know what it "should be". Only the arrogance of scientist and the stupid believe they do know. 10,000 year is nothing when compared to the billions of years the planet has been around. To draw conclusions off of a drop in the bucket like what some would like to do is irrational and overreactive.

 

Sooo....why do you want me to live in a dirt-floored hut and eat twigs?

 

NASA just found out that there calculations for Total Solar Irradiance (the energy from the Sun that strikes the Earth) was off by about 40%. All the calcs are up in the air again.

 

Yeah, because humans are completely incapable of fucking up anything unintentionally and are immune from the concepts of cause and effect. If anyone is being naive here, it is you. But it seems you're completely incapable of reading or reason, since I said whether or not it was the cause of humans is in question, and that more debate and research should go into determining that, and if so, to what extent and what should be done.

 

Well since we know you're not a scientist, and you're arrogant, that must mean...

 

Are you trying to tell me that the ice caps melting off is not fact?

 

Yeah, because human beings are completely innoculated against being intentionally misleading if not outright dishonest when there's money, power and notoriety at stake. I'm not sure you should be scolding anyone for their naivete.

 

You're acknowledging the "vested interests" that issue from green political and economic sources as well, right Dan? Or do they get a pass from you?

 

Just curious, Dan. You're not generally willing to concede that the AGW lobby is just as replete with self-serving interests as those who are skeptical of it.

 

You're absolutely right, instead of debating and researching at a public policy level we should just ignore any and all possibilities of consequences, because someone, somewhere, might be dishonest with the results and use it to their advantage.

 

If it were someone, sure. If there's reasonable evidence which suggests that there's been plenty of someones who've enaged systematic duplicity, it's foolish to keep accepting their conclusions.

 

Would you like to point out the part where I said that?

 

We know that Al Gore has a vested interest in this stuff.

 

This is the point which I find most interesting.

The lion's share of supporters of AGW and all of the CC initiatives are typically also suspicious if not downright critical of all things capitalist. Looking beyond the mountain of cash which Al Gore has amassed pursuant to the Climate Change scare campaign, there are thousands of others who have engaged in the (poorly regulated) sale of "Carbon Credits". Any schmuck who wants to can sell them, and there is, at best, sloppy oversight in regard to the dispensation of funds so collected.

Add in (evil)corporations who've leveraged themselves into green tech, and you're looking at an enormous cash-making machine that's hardly able to justify it's existence with promised results.

If these organizations were engaged in typical commercial commerce, there'd be all kinds of folks up in arms about it. Slap a "green" label on it, and it doesn't track with the hippies and Marixists.

 

I think carbon credits are a disgrace, "green", is window dressing at best, a scam at worst, and Al Gore is a goon.



But, I also think we effect the environment, and in the long term, we're fucked, and nothing can save us at this point.