The Don't Say Gay bill

it's rather telling that he starts withthe perception that it has to be parental influence rather than self expression.

and Pally? nobody cares what you think, accept, or endorse until you start creating a hostile work environment for someone else.

(As UA in full whine voice) yyeeeaahhh but "hostile work environment" means if I blink wrong, or sneeze wrong, and hyymmeaammeaa-hhaeeh-haeeh-haeeh-haehahhhh!!!!

Can't you just hear it already?
Can't you just write his boring script by now?

Not indulging people's chosen visions of themselves is not bigoted. As for judging, I don't really care what anyone thinks.

No, that's the gaslight version. In reality, the whole subject of gender politics is fraught with peoples' opinions, and I am saying teachers do not get to use their classroom as a captive audience to indoctrinate with their opinions. Not everybody agrees genders are interchangeable with each other (or animals, or some newly made up bullshit thing) and even those who are indifferent to it might take issue with having what they think or say on subjective issues like this being dictated to them.

The absolute most any reasonable person may hope (not demand) from one another on subjects like this is "Live and let live. If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all." But that's not enough for some people. You must make an overt display of bending fully to their will or you are a bigot. And since they have no authority to impose their will on adults, some teachers are thinking they are cute little subversives by going after the children to undermine the parents. I would take serious issue with that on principle if I were a parent.

No, a parent who refuses to refer to their "genderfluid" child as xir/xim is NOT being "abused," and there is no implied authority for teachers to decide they know better than the parents and underground railroad that poor oppressed Moonkin Starchild to a secret room where nobody confronts them with the word "no."

If abuse is suspected, there are proper channels. It involves Child Protective Services, law enforcement and the courts. And those institutions are far too busy dealing with real problems to jump in the middle of a slap fight over someone's goddamned pronouns and elective medical procedures.

Not everyone agrees the world is round.
We don't teach flat earth.
Fuck flat earthers.
Fuck 'em.

Arguing about how it's not at all bigoted to tell people that their medical situations aren't real and you will treat them as if they all made them up is pretty fucking bigoted though.

It would be no inconvenience to say this pronoun or that.

As for "correction," who is the authority empowered to correct my opinions?

I've been honest from the start.

As I said, I'm unconcerned with another's self-identity. I'm concerned with any effort to enforce my acceptance or endorsement of it.

"You must refer to me as 'zir.' My doctor said so."

(To wheelchair person) fuck your doctor, I say you can walk.
*Pulls them out like in "Big Lebowski"*

If the person in the wheel chair says I must believe they can walk, do I have to?

False comparison. The shape of a planet is not subjective, and does not require a willful leap of faith buy-in. You are not accepting that just because someone says so.

The fact you you keep jumping to a pronoun example that is extremely rare, picked because it looks funny, and then try to portray it as their existence being an effort to say you "must" do something, despite having admitted you have no meaningful interactions with any trans people, is another one of the things that makes you a bigot.

It would be progress to get some of them to admit they want that enforcement power.

The forces that make people left handed are invisible, but we accept that people are left handed.

no.. but if they tell you they can't, you're obligated to take them at their word. Not much else though...

I know
I know
actually presenting it honestly undermines your position unfairly :'(

All of this is extremely rare. Most people don't give two shits until they are confronted with some aspect they aren't allowed to ignore, and then, shockingly, they take issue with the imposition.

it's always amusing how those that hide the most behind pseudonyms are usually the ones who complain most about people choosing their identities.

Nice try, slick. I didn't say anything about being visible. Matter can be observed, weighed and measured in objective terms.

Post your full name and verify it, or

Good point.

Can you or @Paladin share examples of the time(s) you have been told you MUST refer to someone using particular pronouns, and have been punished for not doing so?

So far I have only heard of legal enforcement in Canada. There are plenty of U.S. laws I am aware of but never been confronted for compliance. I need not run afoul of it to be aware of it.

No, nobody gets in my face with "It's ma'am. IT'S MA'AM!" or demanding I recite some stupid pronouns on command. Most of this is happening in academia. Are you going to deny that one of those teachers will try to punish a student who refuses to play along? I would hit the fucking roof if my child were in detention for not playing along with this shit.

So nice it succeeded, you're just too fucking stupid to process what happened.

From Jordan Peterson.
Who's dead and in Heaven now.
After starving to death in prison.
After being shot by a trans.

It must really suck to have all these stereotype ghosts screaming at you in your head.
Try some lithium.

That man really gets under the skin of people who cannot refute what he says. They never shut up about him.

Try this fucking pork sword.

Human beings aren't lobsters.
Boom, refuted.
See how easy?

Doesn't take a genius to untangle the tactic of equating something unambiguously measurable with something that is not. But it does help when you go at them as children, before they learn of basic critical reasoning skills and their right not to play along with this shit if they don't want to.

Reductive strawman bullshit. You read headlines and listen to 30 second soundbites to consider yourself informed, but all you really needed to know that he was vaguely not "of the body."