The Don't Say Gay bill

The sky will not fall, no, but the teacher must tread carefully when the students inevitably ask "why?"

I see this as no different than if, say, a 2nd grade teacher was pregnant. She could say she was going to have a baby, but all questions about how she came to have a baby inside her must be deferred to her parents.

OMG. Seriously? If a 7 year old child doesn’t know where babies come from, their classmates will - regardless of how the teacher answers the question. And honestly, who do you want telling your child about sex? An adult in full possession of the facts and experience discussing such things with children, or half truths and a bunch of nonsense from other children?

Some of them may have some idea, but the 2nd grade teacher is not cleared to teach sex education.

Their parents. Or a teacher, when their parents consent.

That wasn’t my question. In that situation, right then and there, the parent isn’t an option.

As far as kids talking, kids will talk. Seven year olds will have plenty of time--and probably one or more formal sex education classes later--to clear up any misunderstandings they might get on the playground.

What a Christ-like sentiment expressed on the cake.

You dont have to be angry, and yet the majority of your post history here is you getting angry. Not sure why you choose to be angry so often, it seems unnecessarily stressful.

Before any of the morons comes in and says "See, see, weird gender pronouns are a thing"...
Zij is Dutch for She (though can also mean they)and Haar(in this case) is Dutch for Her...
(Haar can also mean hair in the right context)

pretty much.
it's not like he's ever posted without blaming those who've been injured by authority or insulting the efforts and people involved in seeking justice... frequently to the point of misrepresentations

little wonder why folks worry for Jenee

You’d be doing everyone UA knows a favor worrying for him, rather than me.

speaking of...

In the 80's, after John Walsh's kid was kidnapped, raped, and killed, there was a brief pedophilia panic, and "don't talk to strangers" stuff was everywhere.
There was a Disney live-action Winnie The Pooh show on at the time, and they had a "very special" anti-molester episode that's really chilling when you go back and look at it.
The intent was good though.
FF and his co-travelers would call Pooh Pedobear now.
That's their thing.
Going after the people trying to help.

Yup. Just another way for the right wing to protect abusers while claiming to do the opposite.

Having parents monitor teachers in the classroom over the internet would be another fantastic tool for abusers. When a child is being molested at home, if they tell anyone, it's usually a trusted teacher.

I say the pedophilia panic was brief, because it got gobbled up by the Satanic Panic, which lasted longer, but was fake as fuck.
Concern for real abuse victims went down the toilet in favor of rounding up innocent teachers for imaginary Satan abuse.
Satanic Panic was the Qanon of its day.
Or Qanon is Satanic Panic 2: Electric Boogaloo, whichever way you want to go.

If you use the term “groomer”, congratulations. You’ve joined QAnon.

I hear the flat-Earth and chemtrail people are having membership drives as well.

pedo panic was likely shorter seeming once the sticks and suburbs realized just how prevalent it was in their neighbourhoods?
wouldn't look good all those respectable coaches and scout leader types having their cover blown

All I know is I spent last night in an episcopalian church in Del Ray Florida playing drag queen Bingo in a fundraiser to send a local to an Orlando Pageant. There were multiple kids there and we sang happy birthday to an adorable ten year old little girl who was there with her two mommies.

Two things for @TheLonelySquire :

First is Don't say gay does nothing in a land full of support. No one even said boo to me even afterwards when we went to an outdoor taco stand and continued the party with the local straight population.

Second no child was raped or molested during the evening, which is more than we can say for many churches across the nation last night and most every night in straight christian land.

Don't say gay seems to be as toothless as the dems.

O69 motherfuckers.

Quoted for emphasis.

Given what's happening in their own back yard, the Christian Right has absolutely no business pretending that their motive is protecting children from abuse and exploitation.

Yep.

I have a boss who has been otherwise decent to me but used that "nobody wants to work anymore" crap in a meeting back in Sept of 2021. In California no less, where even there the "benefits" for COVID we're long gone.

Beyond that, I know nothing of her politics and I don't give a shit.

If Paladin spends this much time and mental energy twisting himself in knots over a hypothetical situation that no one in the US is facing, even in California...that says more about him than the people who use neopronons.

Wait....is UA dying?
UA is terminal, and he wants to go out shaking his fist at the world like Sokar?
Jesus, that's tragic.

And the guy who originated the campaign against CRT openly stated on Twitter his entire plan to use disinfo and propaganda to make it a toxic term and then, in turn, associate anything the right didn't like with CRT in the minds of voters.

He came right out and said it in detail and the spineless media STILL cover it like it's a genuine issue which MAKES it a genuine issue in the minds of the easily manipulated.

Yeah but you see UA has seen a video once of some kids lined up in the schoolyard so checkmate liberals.

YES!!!!!!!!

Not all societies have seen a marked increase in such identities (India for example) - only the one who's culture represses gender non-conformity.
This doesn't even take some high level research - it's basic human behavior. Any socially disapproved trait will be hidden in the great majority of instances lest the individual suffer social repercussions. It's why "the closet" is an actual thing. It's why i knew full well my identity in the 1960's in rural Mississippi when I thought I was the only such person in the world and ALSO knew full well to keep my goddamn mouth shut about it and to spend the next40 years trying to be Christian enough to make it go away.

And have experienced many of the exact consequences that being closeted was designed to avoid.

One of two things- and only one of these two - cansupport such a claim:
1. Rank bigotry, which you deny
2. You're a fucking lunatic who's never spent 10 consecutive second reasoning through this phenomena. AS WE SPEAK politicians are actively trying to take kids away from their parents because the parents trust their kids enough to take their gender profession seriously. Not a one of thoe families have not lost loved ones, careers, church families, friends, social contact (like doctors, schools, etc) and/or reputation because they support their child. Families have had to watch their kids mercilessly bullied, turned into political punching bags, shunned even by their own grandparents and other people they love --- and YOU think they surveyed this potential hellscape and said "By god I'ma make my kid trans no matter what!"

Lunacy of the highest order. The clearest takeaway from this remark is that you NEVER LISTEN TO THE LIVED EXPERIENCES OF THE PEOPLE YOU ARE JUDGING.

We tell you - you refuse to listen, because you have a preferred narrative that is comfortable to you and you can't be arsed to revise your worldview in light of new information.

That doesn't make you the rational, logical, actor here.

Hell man, I was 45 fucking years old and knew full well I could lose EVERYTHING that had been important to me - the constant advice from those who had been through this is that if you can possibly live and keep your mouth shut and not transition - DON'T

There is no corner of our society when a trans person who's closeted can peak out and see an easy, welcoming world and there sure as fuck isn't one that would convince a cis person to do it for shits and giggles. Yes, we find our joy but we find it in ourselves in SPITE of pricks like you, not because you aren't there.

And has been exhaustively explained before - you CANNOT make a cis-person, child or adult, trans by persuasion, force, deception or other wise.
IT.
CAN'T.
BE.
DONE.

Medically and scientifically, even if a psychotic parent WANTED to make their kid trans for some sort of martyr status or something

IT.
CAN'T.
BE.
DONE.

Time to revise your conclusions, even if you're still resolved to be an ass about it for no particular rational reason

Point of order: no one any where in any circumstance or any format is, plans to, or wants to teach CRT in grades K-12

This, you need not form an opinion on it. It's like trying to decide if it's okay for bigfoot to be the football coach or not.

In as brief a form as possible: CRT is a post-grad course that is elective in most law schools which holds that the Racism that still affects our culture does not need or depend on ANY individual being racist and indeed is mostly going on in spite of individual actors not themselves being knowingly or explicitly racist. This is because PAST racism is built into social, political, and economic structures which were racist in intent and design when the commenced. For example - for more than a century after Reconstruction, black farmers were systematically stripped of their land - now worth billions - by racist structures built into banking, the Department of Agriculture, and so forth. So the fact that very few black farmers remain is a legacy of those past racist system.

There are literally thousands of examples.

What CRT does NOT do is say "every white person you meet is racist and personally responsible for the racism of their predecessors"

then go to law school

they aren't taught that either.

Besides, even that phrasing is sloppy. Gender ROLES and CUSTOMS are largely a social construct. One need only look at the history of pink/blue in marketing, or the idea that once high heels were high fashion for MEN (wigs too) and on and on. Things considered masculine and feminine change and mutate over time and place. A teen girl wearing pants a hundred years ago was a tomboy, per the culture, now she's the most common sort of girl you'll see.

Gender IDENTITY is a distinct phenomena from Gender PRESENTATION. The latter is the social construct.

But no primary student ever hears THAT discussion in school either

All education, in school and out, beyond rote memorization of facts (plants use chlorophyll, 2+2=4, President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, etc) - the question is the nature and purpose of it.

It has been the objective of public schools sine before the first day of class that education is formatted in a manner designed to result in the sort of culture society wants to be - and that's been used for good and for ill over the decades.

In these specific situations, the politics or worldviews of the individual parents not only are not the focus but CANNOT be because the views of one family may be antithetical to the views of the family next door. Rather, schools are for the collective society values in the future of their culture - in this case, to minimize the effects of bigotry going forward.

It's not about any opinion more complex than "don't be an asshole to your peers because they are different"
The fact that differences exist is FACTUAL.
The "indoctrination" that we should all be kind to those who are different is an opinion, but what kind of person dissents from that opinion?

And so their trans classmate, or sibling, or neighbor, or parent simply doesn't exist and need not be acknowledged?