"The 1980's are calling to ask for their foreign policy back."

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  1. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Are you having a stroke?
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  2. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK AREN’T YOU UNDERSTANDING?!?!?

    DOD gives Ukraine old weapons systems.

    DOD uses Congressional funding allocated to this purpose (in this case called Presidential Drawdown Authority) to buy replacements.

    Right Wing Media tells their rubes that this is a ‘giveaway’ to Ukraine and uses the prices of the new replacements to fool them.

    Smoothbrained Right Wing Retards: wHy R wE GivInG mOneY 2 UkRane?!?1?!
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  3. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Is it me y’all?

    Am I stuttering?

    Anyone else having a hard time picking up what I’m throwing down?
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  4. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    This has to be trolling. No one can be this legitimately stupid. :lol:
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  5. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Don't express your anger at them onscreen, it just gives them a chub.
    A cold, clammy, lily white, thumb sized chub, but still.
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  6. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Of course they can be! That's why they hold the positions they do in the first place!
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  7. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    Good point. There's a good reason he's called Boy Jenee.
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  8. Tuckerfan

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    Forget it, Jake. This is Wordforge.
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  9. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    DOD gives Ukraine old weapons systems.

    DOD uses Congressional funding allocated to this purpose to buy replacements.
    For us, yes? The replacements are for us?

    Then we give Ukraine 47 billion for?
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  10. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Okay. Fuck. Jesus Fucking Christ. You win. Fuck. Deuces.
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  11. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Well, the fact that they were due for replacement doesn't exactly make the originals free, and old or not we are not being compensated for them, so anything we don't get back was effectively a gift, before any direct monetary aid is counted. This is not a net zero cost exchange for us. It's just ignoring money already spent in the past.
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  12. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    That's what I thought, you don't know.
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  13. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Putin eats Ukraine, he doesn't stop there. :shrug:
    Containing the psycho for billions instead of trillions is like getting a Lamborghini with skee-ball tickets.
    A word has to be invented for how much of a bargain that is.
    :teacher:
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  14. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Meanwhile we plunge ourselves further into debt thus making things worse for inflation all the while Europe barely chips in and watches the Americans do all of the heavy lifting once again. Oh and the military industrial complex gets a huge paycheck. Mitch McConnell gets to take some of the credit.
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  15. Uncle Albert

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    I don't dispute any of that. But I don't think it's unreasonable to at least acknowledge the cost.
  16. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    No, we're giving them weapons systems we want to replace (which is upgrading their systems), and using the money to replace the systems we gave them.
    Everyone wins here. Except Putin.
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  17. 14thDoctor

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    The Putin-owned righties that Federal Farmer gets his talking points from can't just outright say "We want our patron to win," so they have to resort to this thinly veiled concern trolling about how much the fight is costing. And of course the kid is repeating that line like a good little "independent thinker." :async:
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  18. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    And future tax payers.
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  19. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

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    You are correct; that sentence makes no sense.

    We're not "giving them money to replace the weapons systems we are giving them." We're spending money to equip our own forces with the new stuff.

    Presumably we are also sending them money for some things, but @Ancalagon's point is that some of the aid figure is actually just us giving them things we were going to phase out anyway, and spending money on new stuff that we were going to spend on new stuff no matter what.

    I would guess it's because we want the new stuff for ourselves.
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  20. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Yes. There are some direct transfers to Ukraine to support their economy but the VAST majority of this ‘Ukraine money’ is going to the US manufacturing sector to replace the systems we are giving to Ukraine (and a non insignificant portion to help replace the systems our allies are sending to Ukraine).

    And yes. We aren’t sending them the new systems for a couple reasons.

    First it is easier to train someone up on 70s hardware than it is for 20s hardware.

    Secondly it is more acceptable for the Russians to capture some of our 70s tech than for them to capture 20s tech.

    Lastly, again… these are weapons systems we were phasing out anyway. Of course DOD is gonna jump on a popular bandwagon and get their new toys paid for sooner rather than later.
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  21. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    All of this with no oversight or accountability to a country that's notorious for money laundering and corruption.
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  22. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    There is oversight you fucking dunce. :facepalm:

    DOD: *Sends weapons systems to Ukraine.*

    Putin Fellators: wHeRe iS tEh OvERsIgHt?!?!

    DOD: *doubles number Kyiv embassy DOD personnel in charge of oversight*

    Putin Fellators: ZOMG!!1 WARMONGERS1!! THEY ARE DOHBLING TEH NUMBER OF TROOPS IN YUKRANE TO PROVOKE DADDY PUTIN!!1!
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  23. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Did you read that in the 4,155 page omnibus bill?

    Did you know that NATO's secretary general warned of a full blown war with Russia? Would you call him a Putin Fellator?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/09/world/europe/russia-ukraine-nato-stoltenberg.html
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  24. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    True fucking story of me asking [name of partner] if I was just not being clear. After leaving the restaurant I pulled up the convo and asked them to read/comment:

    Why are you such an asshole?!?!? You went first to insults. Just me nice! Explain yourself again.

    Okay that was pretty clear. What does he not understand?

    What is BJ? That’s Blow Job yes? Are y’all gay together, is that it? Is that why you went straight to angry?

    OMG! Seriously, WTF?!?! English is my fourth language and I’ve had a bit of shrooms *starts doing a hip dance in the passenger seat* and some alcohol and know nothing about Ukraine except the Regime [Islamic Republic] supports them so fuck them but yes you are totally clear.

    Yes, YES!!!! I was seriously wondering that. What the fuck?!!! (Response to @Bailey asking if FF had had a stroke.)

    [Convo about how they had actually tried to sign up for WF a bit ago but an email was never sent and whichever of you took care of that THANK YOU.]

    And another statement about how I was totally right and could they stop reading WF and would I like for them to put my penis in their mouth and then I said Fuck Yeah and now I have no more 3rd Party Commentary on our Smoothies.

    Sorry, not sorry…
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  25. 14thDoctor

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  26. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Whut?
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  27. Jan Jansen

    Jan Jansen Ukraine Feline Defense Force

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    Europe should send 50 billion to the US to buy weapons for Ukraine. Bill Carson is a little bit right. It is not "your" war, at least not to the extent that it is Europe's war.

    Well, it's not like the people who are whining about the money are ever going to spend it on Americans in need. For infrastructure, social welfare and so on. Of course, they're all pathetic hypocrites. But that's the way it is.

    Anyway, to calm these pathetic people down, Europe should just transfer a fat amount to the US for weapons for the Ukrainian fight for survival. That should calm down even the biggest idiots. Europe can't supply Ukraine with enough weapons, but the US can. Deal?
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  28. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    I sure hope Zalenzki can now afford a suit for the next time he comes to congress demanding money.
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  29. matthunter

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    Nice to know FF is the sort of cunt who would give his mother an old 32" TV he doesn't want, go out and buy himself a 62" 8K display and then tell her he spent $2000 on her Xmas present.
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  30. The Original Faceman

    The Original Faceman Lasagna Artist

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    But his tan suit!
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