"The 1980's are calling to ask for their foreign policy back."

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  1. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    What false narratives would that be?
  2. 14thDoctor

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    You technically post facts, but as I've said before you post those facts without proper context or with misleading context in order to promote false narratives.

    This leads me to conclude you've either been duped by others promoting the false narratives you're repeating, or you're knowingly attempting to mislead others. Neither option makes you look especially great. :async:
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    Except to Subway. It makes him look employable.
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    It would hardly be the first time he lied about something being six inches. :borg:
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    This is not a fact, unless you think that sending troops and fighting wars were not aid to the governments of Afghanistan and South Vietnam, which only people arguing in bad faith, or complete idiots, would think. I'm certain the author of that video is arguing in bad faith (he tries and fails the whole video to keep a smirk off his face), and as dumb as you can be, you're not THAT stupid. So fuck off.

    Another non-fact. We've given around 50 billion this year. Once the new omnibus passes, we'll have committed another $40-odd billion, but that won't go out this year.
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    Also since FF is trying to play some BS pedantic games around the amount given rather than total costs, it's worth pointing out that a lot of the Ukraine support through the year, including the recent additions, isn't actually being "given" to them but is going towards other supporting and related activities.
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  11. Steal Your Face

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    Oh so you wanna use weasily words to get out of this one? It's close enough. Meanwhile, Chris Coons voted for this even though he doesn't know what all is in the bill. Unbelievable.:jayzus:
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  12. Steal Your Face

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    Really? You can track down where every single dollar goes? Let's see the receipts.
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    How about you clarify the idiot or liar question before demanding more.
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  14. Steal Your Face

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    Chip Roy calling out Congress:clap:
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  15. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I particularly like the fact that Roy is one of the ones threatening to blow up the party because his group was outmaneuvered. I don't recall him objecting to congressional procedure when his group got what they wanted, such as theocratic shitstain SCOTUS picks.

    But sure, go ahead and declare open warfare on McConnell and the GOP senators. We are all looking forward to the day when the GOP eats its own face and becomes a minor regional party. :D

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...o-point-pretending-are-united-party-rcna63092
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  17. Steal Your Face

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    Whataboutism.
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    This. Let’s use the Patriot system we are giving Ukraine as an example.

    A brand new Gen 4 Patriot system costs about $1B off the assembly line.

    We are giving Ukraine a Patriot system. So that counts as $1B of aid in the budget.

    Except we aren’t giving them a brand new off the line Patriot system. We are giving them an old one we were about to phase out. And then gonna have to replace with a new one. This is just moving the purchase up.

    So that ZOMG!!!! ONE BILLION DOLLARS going to Zelensky will in fact just go to the US (and depending on the setup they go with [there are different versions not just generations] French [<10%]) industrial sector(s) to modernize our military faster.
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  19. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Giving them arms is not the same thing as giving them money and you know this.
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    Do guns not cost money?

    Why the fuck do gun manufacturers court the NRA so much?
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  21. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Roy literally sent a letter to McConnell that he and his allies would oppose any bill they voted for if any Republicans voted for the budget. So the fracture of the GOP over this is directly related. You should read up on either what whataboutism means, or have a better understanding of politics. :)
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  22. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Good. Fuck Mitch McConnell.
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  23. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Oh, and speaking of not understanding politics - this had to be done this way for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, it includes changes in the political process of certifying the votes b/c of the House Republicans support of fraud. And amazingly a few Republican senators wanted that door to close. Not many, mind you, but enough.

    Second it ensures that the far right nutjobs can't just refuse to fund the government next year in order to extort concessions. Which they were for certain planning on doing.

    But even more worrisome, there's quite a few GOP House members that are so devoid of reality that they'd throw the economy over the cliff. We've nearly been there several times in the last decade. And they will certainly try to do so again.

    Even the Senate GOP doesn't trust the whackaloons that the GOP House delegation has in it. And you might recall that the Founders for all their flaws did create the Senate as the more sober and deliberate body for just these reasons.

    And finally it includes help for Ukraine against Russia, that some members of the GOP senate want to see, bc they've gotten all they can out of Trump and Russians supporting them and are beginning to understand the cost. Certainly McConnell realizes now that Trump cost them the Senate majority, and he well knows that the insurrection and many of Trump's political moves were for Russia. Moscow Mitch doesn't want to go down as a traitor, hates that name, but it's no doubt too late for him in the eyes of historians.

    And it's all perfectly legal, unlike much of the shit that the GOP has done in the last few years.
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    Really? Did you put that together yourself, Einstein? What, do you got a team of monkeys working around the clock on this?

    That’s the entire fucking point of my post smooth brain. What you’ve been conned into thinking of as ‘cash handed to Zelenksy’ is in reality mostly just the cost of replacing the equipment the US and our allies are sending to Ukraine.
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  25. Steal Your Face

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    Then why not just give them arms like we did when this whole thing first started? Can you account for every dollar? Do you know exactly where this money goes?
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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    WE FUCKING ARE DIPSHIT!

    :bang: :bang: :bang:

    THAT’S THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT OF MY POST BJ!!!

    :bang: :bang: :bang:

    I am constantly amazed at your ability to feed yourself.
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  27. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Then what is the money for?
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    FUCK!!!!!

    :bang: :bang: :bang:

    TO REPLACE THE WEAPON SYSTEMS WE ARE GIVING THEM YOU FUCKING TARD!

    :bang: :bang: :bang:
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  29. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    So we are giving them weapons systems that they need to replace so we give them money to replace the weapons systems we are giving them. This makes no sense. Why not just give them the replacement weapons systems?
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