Why are white people so upset that black people are so happy?

That doesn't answer my logic. It would present the question of why one candidate was so able to monopolize the various groups.

And the most likely answers would be a) an intentional decision to not advocate policies that would appeal to those various groups or b) ignorance of either the need to appeal to those groups or what would in fact appeal to those groups.

Taint no assumption about it, did you notice this thread's title?[/quote]

Even assuming that the thread's title meant something and that Mewa were representative of black people everywhere, it doesn't mean that Obama's black supporters voted for him primarily because Obama is black.

They voted for people from the same party with the same policies in similar numbers.

The reason why people might be prone to raise racism if white voters went 90 percent for a candidate is because white voters as a whole have never gone 90 percent for a candidate. That would represent a fundamental voting shift, and one would be hard pressed to come up with any explanation for it besides race.

No one looks at McCain (or various other Republican candidates) got 90 percent of the white evangelical vote as some reflection of racism.

I think that race is 98 percent a culturally constructed concept. But that doesn't make it any less important or powerful or relevant. Consider other culturally constructed concepts, like property, freedom and rights.

96% of blacks voted for Obama and 90% voted for Kerry 4 years ago. Where was the double standard then? 60% of Hispanics voted for Kerry 4 years ago, and 70% voted for Obama. Is that a double standard as well? 75% of Asians voted for Obama. Double standard again?

Maybe the GOP needs to re-evaluate its policies to see why minorities across the board are not voting for their party.

no one really cares.....except you.

The disciples of Obama automatically assuming that we MUST dislike him because he's (half) black and not because he's ultra liberal, completely inexperienced and a socialist is insulting.

You keep harping all you like that the only real reason somebody wouldn't support this man is because he's black, and you are the one that looks like a fool. Not us.

As I stated above, percentage is not the only issue. Voter turnout also is. Black turnout was vastly higher this time, with the only major difference being the skin color of the Dem candidate this time.

Yeah, well, you can fool some of the people some of the time...

Except that you can't pick and choose which parts of history you will acknowledge. Yes, blacks have voted Democratic historically, I get where you are coming from there, but they have also shown in the past they are diversified in terms of which Democrats they will vote for.

The evidence during the primaries this year though was very different -- blacks voted solely for Obama. Had they really been voting based on platform, as seems to be the revisionist logic, we should have seen the spread of black votes among many Democrats as we have seen in the past, but that was not the case.

Here we've established that black folk think handouts are peachy policy, thus consistent support for the party of handouts.

And this one shows pretty clearly that black folks are substantailly bigger bigots than white folk.

I guess I'm more bothered by the latter circumstance.

But I'm glad you get a chubby over the pres elect's skin color, dude.

And I'll be especially happy if this means a permanent end to misguided affirmative action policies, and the nonsense propaganda of the Jacksons and Sharptons that claim that America only provides opportunities for white men.

Hopefully mr. Obama's win will put an end to the past few decades of bad policies derived from white guilt.

Apples and beef. One is a poltical/social group with a specific agenda. The other is a race. Surely even you can see the diff.

Really, Edwards, Richardson and Biden didn't generally get a significant fraction of anybody's votes. They were pretty much nonfactors straight away.

So then there's the issue of why Barack got more votes than Hillary. Race clearly was a factor. Was it the only or primary factor? I personally don't think so.

Again, I think Barry O'Bannon kicks Hillary's ass among the black vote and elsewhere for any combination of the following reasons (in no particular order):

1. Clinton fatigue.
2. The overall O'Bannon platform, which was more liberal (as blacks are)
3. Sexism
4. O'Bannon's charisma
5. The fear that Hillary wouldn't be able to match up well with a Republican opponent.
6. Hillary's high negatives including her incredible arrogance and her coldness.
7. Hillary's responsibility for the Iraq war, which blacks overwhelmingly opposed.
8. A superior campaign staff.

I don't agree with the stances below for various reasons, but I can understand them.

1. Blacks are very religious and their religion tells them homosexuality is wrong, therefore they don't deserve to have the ability to marry.

2. Race is something you can't change or hide (unless you're Michael Jackson). By contrast, you can be gay and keep it to yourself, or at least keep it to a minimum amount of people such that you won't be discriminated against in any meaningful way. IOW, the one is based on who you are, and the other is based on what you do.

3. The long history of discrimination on the basis of race is far more serious than discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

A white Barrack Obama wouldn't have had nearly as strong media coverage. Would have received far less charitable donations. Would not have garnered the support of as many celebrities throwing their money around to help him along. He wouldn't have had Oprah on his side, who certainly helped immensely in promoting him. Essentially, we'd either have Hillary or a near dead McCain in the white house if O'Bannon were a reality.

No two fucking ways about it.

When are black people going to fucking realize that the issue about 'race' is over?

It just began.

Four years of his supporters running around saying this exact same thing, over and over and over again.

What a revealing thread. I knew Mewa had little character, but I don't think I realized how little until now.

Ha! Race is such a huge issue. They will probably only recognize it's over when a black man is in the white house.

Yeah, we're not keeping them down anymore.

This is a really idiotic argument: "If Obama were a completely different person, would he be where he is now?" Of course he fucking wouldn't. Fer cryin' out loud. A "white Obama" wouldn't be Obama at all. Obama was shaped by all his experiences in life, a lot of which DIRECTLY dealt with his being black (half-black, whatever), and a lot of the choices he made in life and the way he interacted with people and they interacted with him had to do with the color of his skin. That is a fact.

So asking if Obama were anybody else and whether he'd be where he is now serves no purpose, since the question makes no sense. Would ANYONE be where they are now if they were ANYBODY else?

The Rev Jackson say's you're nuts.

Not to mention the fact that they have to use tons of sun block.

That really pisses me off. I consistantly have to use UV ray protection.

BTW, I'm happy that black people are happy.

But to say that black support of Obama has nothing to do with race is crazy talk. To say that if white people voted for a white candidate at the same rate wouldn't be accused of racism is just incredible.

I'm happy we have a minority president, it was long overdue and it could do great things for race relations in this country.

But there's plenty of reasons not to like Obama that have nothing to do with his skin color.

I always thought it was a long drive song!?

He's black, what could he possibly do that would piss Mewa off?

Date a white chick?

Look: raining on black folks' parades...it's what we do.

Not necesarily true, and if true, not necessarily a bad thing.

Granted, a substantial portion of Obama's coverage was on the question of whether he would make history as the first black president.

But a large part was based on his policies and his charisma. Those would have remained if you could just remove his blackness.

And a lot of the media coverage Barack Obama got because of his race was neutral or negative. Barry O'Bannon wouldn't have to answer as much for his crazy preacher, or his funny name, or was he white enough to appeal to white voters, or was he so white that he couldn't attract black people, etc.

All those presume that he received those things solely or primarily because he was black. Those are unsafe assumptions. Democrats have always had many celebrities on their side, for instance. O'Bannon would be just as able to get donations from the public at large. I suppose it's possible that Oprah was only in Obama's camp because of his race, but her statements are quite to the contrary. She has said she was impressed with him personally and with his vision, all of which would have been true of a Barry O'Bannon.

I don't think so. In fact, I think that O'Bannon would have probably gotten even more states.

For many of the reasons I listed above about black people not wanting Hillary, the Democratic primary voters probably wouldn't have gone for Hilary. Indeed, most of the later primaries Hillary won were based on white voters selecting her in response to things like the "cling to bitterness" comment that would probably have been interpreted a different way coming from a white candidate.

I agree it's sort of Superman-Mighty Mouse arguement, but then again, if we took those out of the picture, what would be the point of WF?

Mewa?

What if I told you that 96% of blacks that voted in 2004 voted for John Kerry? Why are you looking for reasons to be offended when you already know that blacks always vote overwhelmingly Democratic? ... Even when blacks run on the GOP ticket!

Nobody is offended. What if I told you that we already expect blacks to vote for the party that will give them the most handouts?

Does this mean I'm not gonna get a gub'mint check?

I didn't know that I was upset. I must not have gotten the white person newsletter.

a) He didn't get that high a percentage.
b) I already addressed the difference.