Has the Revolution already begun?

Are we in the soft phase of the Revolution?

Think about it:

Obama is deliberately inflating the currency and the economy is in the shitter.

About 750,000 people rallied at tea parties on the 15th, and more are being planned for May and July. For every person that attends, there are probably 3 who wish they could or whose thoughts are in line with the protesters.

Guns and ammunition are FLYING off the shelves and have been for some time. Ammo is getting hard to find in some places and is invariably very expensive.

The NRA is giving away free memberships.

More than 500,000 people have already signed up for Glen Beck's 912 project- basically an anti-government organization seeking to restore Constitutional government.

DHS is starting to literally brand vets and conservatives as terrorists.

The numbers of people who are 'prepping'- storing canned goods, learning survival skills, buying chickens and gold, gardening, etc.- is on a VERY significant rise, and even more significantly, happening across party lines.

Rich folks are starting to invest in farms, guns, and gold.

The border is turning into a free fire zone, and now there's the threat of a swine-flu pandemic sweeping up from Mexico to worry about.

State Governors are now openly addressing the issue of seccession, as ridiculous as that may or may not seem. A lot of ordinary people are addressing it too.

Folks are beginning to question the loyalty and motives of LE and the military. Would they (or not) fire on American citizens? Could a Katrina- style gun-grab happen where you live? Are the "FEMA camps" real or not?

In summary, the 'sheeple' are being started awake out of a sound sleep and ramping up for trouble. They may not know exactly what the trouble is, but their spidey-sense is definitely tingling.

I think it's safe to say that the shit hasn't hit the fan yet, but is it coming? Are we in fact at the leading edge of the perfect storm?

Has the Revolution in fact begun?

Discuss, you hosers! Grab yer guns and bring in the cat!

Well, they're trying to. But under public pressure, they are having to back down with silly excuses about "that wasn't ready for release yet" (which means: "We think it, but we wish now we hadn't said it so openly"):

Homeland secretary apologizes to veterans group

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That was the one report the public got hold of. Does it not seem clear enough that this administration and the government in general is beginning to fear the people?

EDIT: Oh, and AKAIK, Napolatano didn't write the report.

Yes. Yes, it does.

But not enough. Yet.

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Sorry? More like she's sorry that someone in Law Enforcement ignored the "Do not show this memo to the media" note on the memo.

well, there's also the possibility that it's not so much prepping for armed revolution as it is prepping to survive the potential collapse of the national government at some point (due to debt, massive depression, hyperinflation, or whatever)

For all the mental masturbation about secession (of which I am also guilty) I have to wonder - Do people in most states still feel an intense alligence to their state?

what happens - for instance (and I know this is extremely far fetched in the time frame - it's just an example) - if MS decided to secede while Obama was president? There's no way in heck that the vast majority of MS Blacks would go along with it, and in a large part of the state they are a significant majority, including the capital city.

That would get VERY messy I expect.

Right-wing wet dreams.

And this is the arrogance of the left.

Instead of being concerned about a large portion of the country that are talking more and more openly about revolution, secession and other such major moves, you simply laugh about it. You do not consider the concerns of the right to be of any importance, as long as your preferred politicians are in power.

That attitude is what produces revolution. And you, at least, will deserve it if and when it ever comes.

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Are we seriously supposed to believe that piece of malarky?

You uh...you have any stats on how "large" a portion that is...?

Obama won by 52.9% of the popular vote just 6 months ago, and currently has a 65% approval rating.

All I see are a few disaffected right wingers fantasizing about some great mass populace uprising against a *VERY* popular president...

Sure he does.

That's why I hear so many people who voted for him bitching and moaning about him now.

It's true before an election and it's true after one...statistics are usually worthless when it comes to politics. Too many people massage outcomes or lie to pollsters outright.

People bitched about Bush even though they voted for him - twice.

And he was a VERY unpopular president - hated and despised, even, in many circles.

Where was the revolution then...?

At least we know come crunch time, he'll probably be one of the first to get ass raped.

Seriously though, I don't think it will happen. People are worried, and are just making preparations. If anything, it's kinda good news that people from all political spectrums are being made aware that the Federal Government isn't infallible, and to provide for themselves as best they can.

I do think we'll see one or two towns devolve into complete lawlessness, but it will be local and not surprising, coming from that particular area. Soldiers will come in and order will be restored in short order. I really can't see an entire large city turning into a free for all.

Yes, yes we do, because it's all bullshit posturing. Most of the people talking about revolution and secession now were talking about revolution and secession even before Obama was sworn in, before he'd even had a chance to do anything.

It's childish nonsense. It's the right-wing version of "I'm moving to Canada if Bush wins," and it's just as sad.

Armed revolution won't happen, simply because there is still a missing link in this statement:

Phase 1: March with guns on the government that has the support of the majority of the population, and that if it doesn't have majority support can be removed from power in the next few years easily.

Phase 2: ???

Phase 3: Libertopia.

Disprove it, then.

If she's lying, it should be easy.

Exactly when did the government stop being "constitutional," and why did Glenn Beck see fit to have a problem with it only once a Democrat took office?

You seem to be under some sort of impression that Beck was a Pres. Bush fan, newsflash, he wasn't. He's been out in front on all of the general dis-content with Washington for the last few years, and really started getting worried with Bush's bailouts of last year.

Fascinating. I've never understood why some people would want death and destruction on their home soil, or to split apart the country. To me, having too weak of a government is just the opposite kind of suck as having too strong of a government.

If one doesn't agree with their representatives, by all means, when the next election rolls around, vote the fuckers out and elect someone else. Put together your own party if you have to and campaign your asses off. If people like your message, they will vote for your candidate.

Glen Beck is a twisted fascist, and if the revolution happens, I will watch him hang from a tree.

But no, the "revolution" isn't happening. There has to be a clear alternative to the status quo and no one's given one, it's just anti-establishment rabble.

The people who would fight, can't. Most of them are disorganized militia in poor shape. The populace has no real will to give up their lives of luxury, let alone die for a rich man's taxes.

Call me when they burn effigies of Obama and set fire to their local IRS building.

I could be mistaken, but isn't it normal for a new President's approval rating to drop to the 60% range after the first 100 end? By that point, the media romance is over and the public is getting wise to the man they elected into office. I think Bush had similar number eight years ago, and he wasn't a media darling like Obama is.

I have to agree with Chris with the idea of secession; things are bad, but America's seen a hell of a lot worse. This is nothing for a mostly well-fed and clothed populace to secede over. Instead, people should wise the hell up about their congressmen, and stop electing the same failtards into office over and over again. I'm looking at you, California.

You say that as if we haven't just went through 8 years of the shoe being on the other foot. There were many more people concerned that this country was on the wrong track than there is now. As a matter of fact, a recent poll just showed that for the first time in over 5 years, more people feel that this country say that we are on the right track than not.

Shep makes a good point. While some may be wanking off at the idea of an armed revolution, I'd argue that the vast majority of people do not and feel more alliegence with the federal government vs. their respective state governments. Any seccessionist efforts won't be as nice and neat as the one in 1860.

So if the dismissal of the idea comes off as arrogance on the left, maybe it's because the idea is absurd.

BTW, I for one am taking notes. I hope that Rick Perry and the Texas Republicans don't have any national aspirations.

Yeah, the international power vacuum would be pretty funny.

Don't be on Europe filling it though.

There are SO many things I wish I were allowed to tell you

Chris, I think the vacuum would be removed were teh US to dissolve.

Part of the centralization problem America faces is that it's serving nearly 400 million people and inefficiently oversized. My proposal is that the USA should form 7-10 smaller confederations based on some balance of population/regional production combined with the willingness of the people to join.

Of course, with most of the Great Lakes states having their second action being to renegotiate cross border trade, I would think that parts of NY, PA,OH, and MI will be the new south of Canada.

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No. No, it isn't.

It appears to be the arrogance of the right. Left-wing protest movements that dwarf theirs are routinely dismissed by them with all manner of derogratory comments. This "tea party" shit is a joke.

I'm so sure they are crying like babies over you not voting for them if they do.

Your logon name is CHRIST?