Shot for getting skittles

The first implies pursuing and eventually catching up to someone, the second implies maintaining some sort of distance.

Is one better than the other?

"I would rather be followed by a stranger than chased by a stranger"? I mean, is either good?

So, if the follower comes into contact with the followee, then it wasn't a follow...it was a chase?

I would most definately rather be followed by a stranger than chased by a stranger.

Since Martin can't dispute what Zimmerman says, we only have his account.

What we don't have is a motive for Martin to attack Zimmerman.

How appropos for a scandal like this to break just prior to the election.

I'm no rocket scientist but one has to wonder if this is being played on hard and fueled for racial tension purposes.

I mean come on, this kid is played to be a mama's boy and the reality is becoming clear of some of the shit the kid has been into.

Suspended for tardies, pfft.

See? Time goes on and more info surfaces.

Some of these pictures are NOT Trayvon Martin.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ar-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/

You folks are believing the bull.

You may not have but some of us have a picture evolvong of a kid that may not be as squeeky as he is being portrayed.

I've been saying that since this started.

What bull it that?

Not me. I never believed "Rev." Jesse or "Rev." Al seriously in the first place.

Yea. As Mewa pointed out, a smear campaign against a dead 17 year old kid - just so you guys can keep your right to bear arms and no one uses this incident against.

That is what all this is about isn't it? Because other than this smear campaign, there is nothing in the known facts about this incident to suggest that Martin would be the attacker.

Martin did break contact. We know that from Zimmerman's 911 call. Here's the area where the incident occurred.



Pure speculation on my part.
If Zimmerman parked on the opposite side from the "cut through" he would have had to follow Trayvon down the curved path towards the "T" intersection. During his brief jog after Martin he may have made the intersection, but I doubt it. I think he made it maybe to the end of the building most likely the middle of it. Which would be the area in shadow in this picture. I think when he hung up with 911 he pushed on a little further. Then maybe thought the better of it and turned on his heel to go back to his truck. At which time he and Martin came face to face, as Martin had concealed himself round the corner of the building. A struggle ensued, resulting in Martin receiving a single gunshot wound to the chest.

That's the only way I see the fight occurring where it did. If Martin had as his girlfriend claimed, continued walking home after running and out distancing Zimmerman the incident could not have occurred where it did. Even if Zimmerman had regained contact. They would have been much further along.

YMMV

I don't think it's so much "defending" Zimmerman as not following the media/mob mentality to lynch the guy before all the facts are in. And the more facts that come in, the more holes develop in the "mainline media/NAACP" Official Version that Zimmerman was some kind of trigger-happy Klansman.

Depends on whether Zimmerman or Martin initiated contact, and whether Zimmerman was intending to pursue Martin.

IOW, skinny as a rail.

That does not follow. Barring any statements from him to that effect (from when he was still alive, of course), it is pure opinion.

What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. If it's irrelevant that Zimmerman apparently had criminal charges against him dropped, it should be equally irrelevant that Martin was suspected of marijuana usage and possession of jewelry that may not have been his.

If it's relevant that Martin had that stuff in his recent past (presumably because it makes the possibility of Martin casing houses more substantial than if he had only been suspended for tardies), it should be equally relevant that Zimmerman has had accusations of criminal behavior in his past.

Yep, get enough rioting going on and Obama will have to suspend elections until things calm down!!!!

For the good of the country of course!!

No new "evidence" has been presented. We're just hearing more of Zimmerman's original testimony that night.

It still doesn't change anything relevant.

There were reports of a warning shot, however. How is that not an attempt to be intimidating?

Where the fuck did you come up with a warning shot?

Timmy is mistaken at best.

I don't think you have to think Zimmerman's a trigger-happy Klansman or even that he has any guilt beyond taking his Neighborhood Watch duties a little too seriously to question some of what's gone on in this case.

There have apparently been a couple of witnesses who claim that the investigators were either asking leading questions as if they were trying to support a self-defense theory, and a couple others who say that the investigators were not interested in hearing more detailed statements from them that would tend to go to a non-justifiable homicide.

There's at least reasonable grounds to think that the official investigation was lacking.

No one has addressed the holes/questions in the "I was defending myself" theory in this thread.

I think the reaction would be a lot different if there were a more credible investigation that ultimately found self-defense rather than the one we've had.

However, critical elements are missing in the eyewitness account (even assuming it is unvarnished, gospel truth) and can be supplied only from Zimmerman, with no one left to contradict him, but no one to corroborate him, either:

1) Who started the physical confrontation?

2) Was Zimmerman brandishing his weapon before that, thus causing Martin to believe he was faced with a "fight or die" situation?

Lacking any witness left alive who can say whether or not Zimmerman is lying, there is very little chance of Zimmerman being prosecuted and even less of him being convicted. But there are enough questions about the situation, things that just don't make sense to me, that I still have a hard time eliminating the possibility that Zimmerman is "slanting" the story just enough that he won't forget the details of a story that is completely made up, and that it switches the scenario from "Martin had good reason to believe he had to defend himself from a grave, imminent threat" to "Martin had no justifiable excuse to start a fight."

Notice that I am not saying, either, that Zimmerman did do something that caused Martin to have sufficient reason to believe he was in grave, imminent danger. I am just saying that that remains, in my mind, a very real possibility.

That's what I was wondering. The pistol was fired one time and that was the fatal shot.