U.S. Again Bombs Mourners

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  1. Ramen

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    Endless war is endless. Policy was that civilian casualties would be avoided if possible. It's been sloppy in before, but now it's evolved into "Fuck it, blow them all away." Bush/Cheney must be pleasantly surprised.
  2. Black Dove

    Black Dove Mildly Offensive

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    Lesson for the Day:

    If you die in the Middle East, don't have a funeral!
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    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    I have a hard time sympathizing with people who are mourning terrorist leaders. It's a bit of a dirty practice but it is a good opportunity to get lots of terrorist supporters all in one place and kill them. I'm not sure we can pass up opportunities like that.
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  4. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Yes, because only terrorist leaders are being killed in these strikes:

    Your attitude is the advocation of terrorism in its purest form.
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  5. MikeH92467

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    Drones, schmones..I think we should carpet bomb the entire area.
  6. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    There's no need to. We can kill them all and leave their pathetic infrastructure intact. :)
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    Unless one or both of the two 'foreigners' were American, sounds like a good kill to me.
  8. MikeH92467

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    If they want to mourn let's give them something to mourn about!!!
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  9. Marso

    Marso High speed, low drag.

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    Shoulda thought twice before hijacking all those planes and running them into buildings, shouldn't they? :shrug:

    Especially all those who thought it was so great after the fact. :shrug::shrug:
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  10. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    Ruthless might be a nice way to describe him.
  11. Midnight Funeral

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    The IRA used to use this exact tactic to maximise their kills. Most famously in the Narrow Water Castle ambush.

    They'd plant two bombs, with buried command wires leading to a hidden observation post anywhere up to half a mile away, and wait for the British Army to come past. They'd detonate one bomb, blowing up a truck or whatever and killing some soldiers. Then they'd wait for more to show up to rescue the survivors, at which point they'd blow the second bomb, killing the rescuers.

    NWC was their most successful ever and took advantage of the terrain and the presence of a large stone gatehouse leading to a private country estate. Narrow Water Castle is on the bank of Carlingford Lough, a narrow fjord-like inlet that leads up to Newry, with mountains on both sides, though they are closer to the water on the south side. The border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic also runs up the middle of the lough at that point. It's the narrowest point of the inlet, only about 100 yards across.

    They had laid a bomb under the road in front of the stone gatehouse, and passed a command wire across the water (and across the border) to the forested mountainside opposite. When a British army convoy passed, they detonated the bomb, killing six and injuring more, destroying the vehicles.

    When the rescue squads showed up, they then began firing on them from across the border. Hidden away in the densely forested high terrain they were almost invisible to the British, who fell back in behind the most obvious cover available - the stone gatehouse.

    The IRA had anticipated this, and at this point they detonated the second bomb, which was hidden behind the gatehouse, right where the soldiers had taken cover.

    All said it was a bloody massacre, 18 soldiers died and 6 more were wounded. It was the largest killing of UK troops in a single attack that the IRA ever achieved.

    NOt that I support or ever did support the IRA... but I'm pointing out it's a sound military tactic for maximising enemy kills.
  12. Dan Leach

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    Yeah right. Because 'they' are all the same people, right?
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  13. RickDeckard

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    Don't worry - this just means that Obama is suitably "ruthless". :dayton:

    And of course, those who carried out the atrocity are "heroes", and that must never be questioned. :dayton:
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    Associates, friends, and supporters, apparently. :shrug:
  15. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    I am good friends with a girl who grew up next to Ruby Ridge. Should she have been targeted when they went to play with them, simply because they were associates?

    No. It should be known that they dissociated themselves with the Rubies when they went nuts., but they HAD associated themselves.
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  16. Captain J

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    What's your point? No one is claiming the funeral goers didn't know the dead scum was a terrorist. Your comparison is totally invalid.

    These funerals are major gatherings of terrorists and their supporters.
  17. MikeH92467

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    I see Rick Deckerd is still functioning from his knee jerk reflexes...
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  18. RickDeckard

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    If you can demonstrate how this is anything other than cold-blooded murder, then I will reconsider my "kneejerk" response.

    Targetting rescue teams is particularly cynical.
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  19. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    For me to support striking the funeral, I would need to hear that the strike is based on more intelligence than "this is the funeral of Dirca Dirca Dirca."
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  20. TheLonelySquire

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    Exactly. They were celebrating like the just won the NBA Finals. The bitch is back...and she's in heat! (Roddy)
  21. Captain J

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    Are you equating people trying to save lives with those of people gathering to celebrate the life of a terrorist? If so, that's where you're right off the cliff.

    Ever see video of these funerals? There is a reason most faces are covered with kefiyas and why so many carry and/or shoot assault rifles.
  22. RickDeckard

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    Am I? Go fuck yourself. Nowhere in my post is there a hint of such an equation. Nevertheless, it remains that attending a funeral of someone who may or may not be a terrorist since the Obama regime counts all military aged males as such, is no crime at all. And that a fucking funeral is not a military target. You fucking degenerate savage.

    That's without even starting about attacking rescuers, an even more significant crime.
  23. Ancalagon

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    Not true. Even if the allegations are taken at face value you are hugely distorting them. The alleged policy is that you don't need Positive ID of every single person at the meeting.

    So say you get intel that the Regional Taleban commander is coming into town, and holding a Provincial Shura. So you set up survelence and see that the Regional Commander is there with his retinue, the Provincial Commander, 4 of his Deputies, half a dozen of his bodyguards, 5 guys you have identified as District Commanders, and seven other military aged males you don't know who they are. Even if you don't have Positive Identification of those last seven dudes, considering the reason the meeting was called, and the identities of the other people present, it is alleged that the CIA can still authorize a drone strike.

    That is all it is saying.
  24. RickDeckard

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    The alleged policy is that after you perform such a massacre, you count all of the military aged males as combatants rather than civilians, unless there's specific evidence to the contrary.

    I'm sure there's a policy for targetting too, but that's not the one being referenced here.

    It's a little like that time that all of the military aged males were forced to stay in Fallujah while the place was basically destroyed. I'm sure you remember that too.
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    Same thing. You show up at a meeting like that, you probably aren't there to deliver pizza.
  26. RickDeckard

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    Not the same thing at all. It means that when civilians are killed, as they often are, they get classified as combatants anyway, regardless of whether they were at a meeting, or just in the area or whatever else. Good for propaganda that way.
  27. Captain J

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    Rick is like a 2 year old bubble boy protected from harm by the bubble and his parents. Yet with his two year old mind he rages at the injustice of the adults who put up his bubble and his parents who keep him safe.

    In this case the bubble is the freedom Rick lives in. Those who protect him are the countries and troops who fight terror and those who seek the end of freedom. Just like the bubble is far from ideal, so is the means by which terror must be fought. Ideal solutions rarely exist in the real world. Much like the two year old doesn't understand the big world around him, neither does Rick have a clue.
  28. RickDeckard

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    Neither your country nor your troops have the right to designate themselves my "parent" and go around the world murdering people on my behalf.

    Actually, back on ignore you go. I'd given you a chance for a couple of weeks. Same old shit.
  29. We Are Borg

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    If intelligence confirms you have a group of terrorists and/or terrorist supporters gathered in one place, I don't give a shit if it's a funeral, wedding or an orgy... you take the shot.
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    Yes, you are the same stupid piece of shit.

    Amazingly like a two year old you can insult and curse people out but then throw a hissy fit when you get some back.
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