BREAKING!! Two explosions, casualties at Boston Marathon

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  1. frontline

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    Yeah, well apparently they were doing just that.

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    So yeah people were being pulled out of their homes and said homes were being searched. That raises the question, at what point do you have the right to say no to a warrantless search? Normally if you are in "hot pursuit" you don't need one. But wouldn't that require knowing that a suspect ran into a particular house? Is this a case of exigent circumstances that allow a bypassing of the constitution?
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    We also "dunno" if that video is even related to the search for the bombing suspect or if it was even shot in Boston on Friday. I watched several hours' worth of coverage that day and in all the video and live shots I saw on Friday the skies were overcast and cloudy.

    The sun is brightly shining in that footage.

    This could be a completely different incident just "labeled" as being from Boston on Friday.


    On Wednesday night, shortly after the plant explosion in West, Texas, I found a clean version (no captions or graphics) of the footage that starts at around :20 here, that claimed to be the West explosion. I even posted it in the thread here until I figured out that it was a fake and deleted it.
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    A red x? :unsure:

    Edit: A page refreshed fixed it. Saw this on FB.
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    The laser pointer is used for guiding officers on the ground to a specific point. Depending on what options the agency decided on, they're either invisible IR lasers that can be seen with night vision gear, or highly visible green lasers. Our local PD had the green laser on their system before our helicopter crashed last year.
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    What happened, pilot get blinded? :unsure:
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    No. A control linkage broke and they lost engine power. They had to autorotate in, but managed to land without killing anyone. The helicopter was a loss, though. There was a scandal over the crash when it was found out there was no insurance on the helicopter.
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    Even if the cops pulling people out of houses is real, still not seeing the outrage, and here's why:

    a suspect is on the loose who just set off bombs, killing and injuring dozens.
    He's very likely still armed and in the area, and time is off the essence. The longer it takes, the better his chance of escape. Nobody likes having a gun pointed at them, and nobody likes to point guns at people. But when push comes to shove, people take things more seriously (both gun holder and holdee) and respond better when at gunpoint.

    Sorry, there was just no time for normal polite discourse when many more innocent lives could still be at stake.

    And I saw nobody brutalized. Inconvenienced and scared, no doubt. But I'd rather be inconvenienced and scared if it helps locate the suspect, which it did in the end.
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  10. Fisherman's Worf

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    The problem I have with it is that it wasn't the official story being released. Law enforcement was claiming to simply be knocking on doors, making sure everyone was OK, and moving on. This could have very well been an evacuation of a home close to where they believed the suspect to be, and they were getting the residents out of there for safety concerns. I'd just like to know more. I may have even missed a news article stating "yeah we had to evacuate some people from their homes," considering how much was happening on Friday.
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    The first video is clearly a fake. The tell is in the presence of recycling bins in front of the houses. Watertown has bi-weekly curbside recycling, and according to the schedule on the town's website, the week of the 15th was not a recycling week.

    As for the second, not only do we again see the bins, but none of the people interviewed sound like they are from Boston. Nowhere does the reporter's voiceover mention identifiable specifics. Also, the interviewees don't actually say anything to indicate their rights were violated, just that there were guns and it was frightening. Even if the video is correctly associated with Friday's man hunt, it doesn't really suggest there was a 4th amendment issue.

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    Looks like I might be wrong on the recycling part. I looked at the schedule some more, and it is bi-weekly, but some parts of the town alternate weeks. The rest of what I said is true, though, and we do not have any real definitive information. Is the first video a singular instance in a 20 block area? Or was it typical?
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  12. Fisherman's Worf

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    Yeah the second video is suspicious for not having a single Boston accent. :chris: But some of the interviews I watched live on Friday were with residents in that area, and only a few of them had Boston accents. Isn't that expected in a big university area?
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    Yes, somewhat, but it depends on the neighborhood. Although Watertown likely has some graduate students and junior faculty, it's not a very college influenced neighborhood, representing much more of the town side of the town and gown divide. People in Watertown sound like native Bostonians unless they have a foreign accent (very large ethnic Armenian population resides there).
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    OMG, the mass-murdering terrorists didn't have the proper paperwork!!
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    I've been reading up on this and it appears that there's more going on than we're being told. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this was a False Flag event after all. What better way to gain public support for more security and less freedom than by enticing two islamic idiots to commit jihad on American soil. Now we have the public openly crying for the government to protect them, and you are all perfectly fine with the state installing cameras on every street corner, and increasing security everywhere.

    After Newtown and Boston, they only need 2-3 more "events" to finally convert the U.S. into the Police State they've always wanted.
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    :facepalm:

    It's almost as if you do it on purpose.

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  19. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I've come to the conclusion that Black Dove is a parody.
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    A pair of what, now?

    Are you saying there are two of him? :unsure:

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    People who 'believe' in conspiracies will always 'believe' straight away.
    Evidence is just something to be looked at, very selectively, afterwards.

    Its like all the sept11 conspiracy idiots.

    People dont seem to realise that the American govt, FBI and CIA arnt capable of pulling shit like that off and getting away with it. They simply arn't that competent.
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    Actually, there are.



    Try to figure that one out. ;)
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    A pair of D's.

    He's Tweedledee and Tweedledum rolled into one. :PGT:
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    Black Dove is himself a false flag operation.
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    Which goes back to my question of where this all fits within the constitution. Can that be considered to be "fresh pursuit"?

    Like you said, may very well not be fake. I'll go so far as to say that it isnlt. Can ya think of any other areas where activities like this have gone on in these numbers? there are also other multiple still photos out there of other houses where this activity was going on that pretty much solidifies that this was going on. I can post them if you want.

    As for people saying or not saying their rights were violated, that is irrelevant. They may have been fine and dandy with it or not even given it a thought. What is relevant is my question. Is this permissable under the law? Should we be okay with it or should we be against it.
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    It's not a question of whether people are okay with it. It's a question of whether any rights were violated. Were any houses searched against the resident's wishes? Did exigent circumstances allow for search without warrant regardless? Rabble rousing videos aside, the real questions aren't answered by the information provided. But if there were real 4th amendment violations, I bet the ACLU would be all over it. Are they?
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    The cops in the video acted pretty much how you would expect if it were wartime. Then again someone setting off bombs and causing mass carnage pretty much equates with wartime. :thinking:

    So I'm thinking under these circumstances Miranda Rights and police politely asking you to exit your home whenever you get around to it might be put (temporarily anyway) on the back-burner.

    Everyone wants the cops to do their job, unless they are on the business end of a cop doing his job, then the cops are pricks.

    Guess what folks? Mayberry North Carolina is a fucking Hollywood fantasy.