Brexit now leading by 10 points

Like I said, they haven't learned a single lesson from Brexit and now they want to double down on stupid.

You are inserting an interpretation. The problem is that you cannot prove your interpretation is correct, because the required evidence isn't in the article. No matter how rude and angry you get, that fact will not change.

The sad thing about your approach is that I'm prepared to accept your interpretation as one of many possibilities. But I cannot accept it as fact without evidence. Stop demanding that people do this. It only makes you look like a petulant idiot. Evidence is always paramount.

It's worse than that. Not only doesn't the article make his point; it clearly says the opposite.

He didn't say 'Spain would block any seceded nation's admission'. He said 'any such nation would require a vote'. And note that nobody, including Scotland's government, disagrees with that.

That's the Express, and I'll bet you anything you like the story is hogwash.

As for leaving, Britain is proving right now that you can.

Maybe. Let's see.

It wouldn't be at all surprising if the EU is looking for ways to prevent further exits.

I was referring to forming a European superstate. If that were to happen, leaving becomes a completely different proposition.

It might happen half a century down the line. Anything else is cookoo.

On that note run, don't walk, to the Brexit

European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit

EUROPEAN political chiefs are to take advantage of Brexit by unveiling their long-held plan to morph the continent’s countries into one GIANT SUPERSTATE, it has emerged today.

The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.

Controversially member states would also lose what few controls they have left over their own borders, including the procedure for admitting and relocating refugees.

The plot has sparked fury and panic in Poland - a traditional ally of Britain in the fight against federalism - after being leaked to Polish news channel TVP Info.

The public broadcaster reports that the bombshell proposal will be presented to a meeting of the Visegrad group of countries - made up of Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia - by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier later today.

Excerpts of the nine-page report were published today as the leaders of Germany, France and Italy met in Berlin for Brexit crisis talks. ​

The new 1000-year Reich is here!

It's like deja vu all over again.

The European Hegemony?

So, it's almost midnight in Paris right now, what happened to the bombshell proposal? ​

You do know that on this bastion of investigative journalism's webpage,this was the headline right above the one you posted, right?


'ELVIS NOT DEAD'

Elvis not dead, just auditioning for role as TOS-timeframe Klingon Dahar Master.

As you were ActivistForge.

Though I thought voting for BREXIT (I hate that term with a passion) was a good idea, I do think the Brexit supporters have failed in one big thing.

They have failed to put forth any kind of real vision about what they see as United Kingdoms role in the world after leaving the EU.

Do they want UK to be isolationist? Do they want stronger ties to nations like the United States, Canada, and Australia? Do they want Britain to be a regional superpower along the lines of India or Iran in Southeast Asia and the Middle East respectively?

Somebody must have some idea.

That's just it, though, I don't think anybody did. It was all about power politics, very little to do with a well fleshed out policy.

I love saying "brexit."

So you think the Spanish PM specifically reminding wveryone that any one member could block admission has no significance?

Well, I will say this for you, you probably miss a whole lot of subtle social clues. That explains a lot.

English will not be an official EU language after Brexit

But Irish Gaelic will.

Good luck with that.

You can cut the bitterness with a 2x4.

On the contrary, I think it has precisely the significance that he explicitly attached to it, that the article you cited attached to it, and that I have explained three times in this thread so far: a warning to Catalonia, not to Scotland.

A warning to Catalonia is a warning to Scotland. Breakaway regions will not be granted EU membership.

New approach: what will you bet me?

And his specifically meantioning Scotland by name was an accident in your mind? Here is the reality: Spain is dead set against any breakaway regions because of the threat to itself. Therefore it will punish any breakaway region as an example to their own. Notice how thay explicitly involves punishing Scotland which he mentioned by name?

Put on your big boy pants and just admit I am right, already. It is sad how much you will twist to avoid admitting the obvious. Yes, as I said, he doesn't want Catalonia or the Basques breaki g away and that is exactly why he said any breakaway region has to start without EU membership and why he was directly threatening Scotland to make it an example to the Catalons.

This is complicated and the only thing holding you back is your own desire not to admit you have been completely wrong this whole time including with your daft claims that the link some how did not say what I said it said. Grow up, man.

Winner. Which is what I have been sayong all the time. Packard is just acting like a man-child now.

My God. Your interpretation is specifically rejected in your own source. I quoted the line. The operative word is 'not', nothing ambiguous or indirect, just straightforward negation.

But I will offer you the same deal as @gturner: what will you bet me?

Alright, ypu have now crossed into fantasyland just to try to defend an umdefendable position. Yes, as I have said from the beginning Spain wants to deter its own breakaway regions and it does that by threatening all breakaway regions just so there is no good example for the breakaway supporters to point to. This, by necessity means making life hard for Scotland to get EU membership. Thus why he specifically mentioned Scotland by name.

What is the major malfunction which prevents you from understanding that?

Frankly, dude, I think your reading comprehension/understanding is so poor you still don't even know what my position is despite me explaining it to you multiple times. Hell, you even adopted half of my original argument after denying it for several posts.

So, I know you could understand if you wanted to do so. The problem is you are so desperate to avoid admitting your original claim was wrong that you are being a complete tool now. I expect that from Gul but I kind of thought ypu were better than that, maybe I was wrong.

Here's a map of activist separatist regions in Europe.



The list of activist separatist movements in Europe

Now if each of those regions can vote to just break away from their local nation and become a member of the EU, standing alongside the other nations of Europe, many of them will so vote.

That means there's only six of seven EU countries that might not get carved up as a result of letting Scotland secede from the UK and directly join the EU, yet to approve a new EU member takes unanimous support. That's never going to happen.