If people want to talk about PC bullshit....

Oh, when they do things like make sure their programs are inclusive for Muslims by banning Jews from campus. Wouldn't want to cause any triggering, you know.

When it starts saying that "inclusiveness" entails curtailing the free expression of others.

They do, but that doesn't mean they're right. In making the program more inclusive to some, they may be making it exclusive to others.

Petty tyranny like this is what makes people suspicious of appeals to equality.

To repeat my silly hypothetical...

Suppose the university decided that better looking male students in a department would increase inclusiveness by making that department more appealing to women, and they therefore decided to give priority acceptance to more handsome male applicants.

Explain why this would be unacceptable.

Those days don't seem so far zoff with weaklings declaring hearing an opposing view is some how traumatic for them. Hell, with the muslim jihad enablers removing Jews almost seems like the next step in their enabling.

After all they already claim simply speaking objectively about the global crimes of Islam is some how a "phobia".

Universities have the right to decide what goes up on their walls as well as the teaching methods of their professors. That isn't oppression. To call it oppression or tyranny makes you come off as defensive and grasping at straws IMO.

And 'they may' is concern trolling. How does putting up nature and art posters, having women TAs and having professors email high achievers exclude anyone?

Just post it. There's nothing to come after here.

And state legislatures have the right to bulldoze the public universities and replace them with stockyards and feed lots which have much lower costs at producing bull shit.

Authority is always right?

I never called it oppression, you did. I said it was suppression of culture and petty tyranny. And it is. It is overriding the preferences of the people in the location, making the environment less appealing to those who ARE there in order to make it more appealing to someone else who MAY be.

Explain how you include more women without excluding more men.

How does a Star Trek poster exclude anyone? And, again, I'm not against women TAs or e-mailing high achievers.

first off this is speaking of college. So as an effort to attract women into fields they might otherwise ignore changing the physical environment to be more welcoming is a first step that opens the door, but does not address the actual problems. Looking at the workforce I would say it is good for both groups mentioned in the article to become aware of popular entertainment as it helps to get promoted and noticed in the working world to socialize. For instance I know a few people who watched game of thrones even though they were not really interested so they could join in conversations which often included management and other department people so they did not seem like a standoffish anti social person. The women should be familiar with what star trek is and some computer gaming so as to participate with their co-workers. You do not have to become a geek, but not running the fuck away because someone mentioned star trek and that is not cool in your cliques is just going to make it harder for you to work with others.

I am up for the environment including a lot of things. I think it is good for the geek cs crowd to get to know other things so they are not off in the corner and overlooked. I have seen how snobbish geeks are set aside as hard to talk to, and I have seen myself and other geeks excel and friendliness and communication leading to respect, advancement, and gaining of pleasant associates because we can participate in normal small talk without making others feel inferior or that wee havea chip on our shoulder.

The workplace is much different than college so perhaps this study leads somewhere better. I think it does not get far enough in depth, and in the end only gets women in the door but might not keep them because of resentment issues, or that it just does not address the full problem of social gender pressures.

@Ancalagon I'll hand you this: you seem sincere.

There are many women in CS. But I'm not convinced that enforcing artificial coercion to increase an arbitrary "vagina quota" would necessarily improve CS. Equality is not about "making sure" that 50% of the chess club is female.

Could you frame your argument in one sentence? Would the following be a fair characterization:

More women would be in CS if men behaved differently.

Clams don't know shit about computers.

Perhaps part of the problem is that women love smart phones for communicating to other people (thus the uptick in female CS students), but the low-level guts that make that all work are uber geeky. Seriously, seriously geeky.

I used to go to the Dayton Hamvention, the largest amateur radio, electronics, and computer swap meet on the planet. About 25,000 people attend each year, and virtually all of them are men. Yet there are no organized geek classes for radio, and thus no external male filter keeping women out. Hams are all self-selected by an interest in radio and electronics down to the low-level details of amplifiers, tuned circuits, phase delays, and antennas. These are not things that tend to fascinate girls.

"People are too sensitive" cry a bunch of guys after reading something they don't like.

I am a bit too intoxicated to dive back into this thread but I feel I can respond here.

Yes.

YES.

FUCK YES.

As a lazy mother fucker married to an overachiving IT professional that has been railroaded at multiple occasions due to her sex, I am VERY sincere in my outrage.

This was supposed to be my meal/drink ticket!

I'd be a great house-husband. I buy and maintain all the best cleaning robots, I am a half decent griller (up here that makes me a 'BBQ* Master') and I have a 100% success rate of keeping these bastards alive for almost 4 years, IN A ROW.

I earned the good life dammit. If I have to be permanently attached to an OCD math nerd I DESERVE her being paid like the men with her abilities and certifications no?**

Yes?

*Apparently in the PNW there is confusion about what the FUCK barbeque is. Just to be clear barbeque is the art slaves used to turn shit meat into a magical substance white folks would throw cash down to eat. Slow and low bitches, slow and low. Do you even indirect bro?

**If you are wondering why my wife and all my Seattle friends are IT professionals and big nerds, it's not a coincidence. I became friends with all them through her (who I met online, kinda an outlier at that point).

Hard to say no to that.

Interesting how the only men that think there isn't a gender pay gap are single dudes.

When it comes to PC you are best served by a Solid State Drive. They're just more efficient. Also, if you're in the market for a box kit then look at the specs fot Intel. Intel processors are cooler and more stable than, say, AMD, and you can get into the bios and clock the processor with less risk. Anything from the Intel Core family is best, 3rd gen or above.

I hope that helps on "being PC"

I don't see why it's important to have the genders equally represented in computer science, or any other discipline.

Women are freely choosing other disciplines, and their choices are regarded as a problem for the institution. That doesn't seem very feminist at all.

I'd love a copy, seems like it could actually have some interesting stuff in for work.

Ok the study is a college thing. What you seem to be describing is an issue of pay disparity and possible workplace discrimination. I have seen many women who are not geeks excel in IT fields. Perhaps your area is different, but I have seen women who are willing and capable finger opportunity in many different technology oriented positions and in management of teams. College is not the workplace.

Does that mean you are now repudiating the OP?

I ended up just posting it in #100.

Very often people just want to be outraged. Nobody can make a compelling case that this causes problems for any CS student, but OMG, they're destroying a minority culture!

So, basically, your argument boils down to professors need to submit to student demands regarding intellectual climate. There's a young woman at Yale who agrees. Perhaps you recall that Halloween controversy a few years back?

No. I now have the study, but haven't had a chance to read it yet since it's 36 pages and I am working.

That's because you're an idiot, but we've known that all along.

Well, I hate to be a pedant (well, not really), but the first attack was yours, suggesting @gul was easily outraged.

You are both mistaken. I could care less if you think I'm easily outraged. You are mistaken, however, most likely because you're an idiot. It's not an attack, just a statement of fact.